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Old January 30th 18, 04:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Karl Striedieck[_2_]
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This hard deck concept fits in with the liberal, big brother, zero pain concept emanating from DC that is gradually dumbing down and choking away individual freedoms in our lives. Same for the min cylinder finish height.
Pilots know that engaging in any activity that exceeds 10 mph or 10 feet high has an element of danger. Let the pilot decide whether to chance a landing in field with hidden fences, wires, holes, crops, or animals or climb out and fly home.
As for the worry that a low save gives the pilot an advantage on the score sheet, forget it. Such events eat up a lot of time and result in a back page score.

Karl Striedieck

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Old January 30th 18, 04:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:40:35 AM UTC-5, Karl Striedieck wrote:
This hard deck concept fits in with the liberal, big brother, zero pain concept emanating from DC that is gradually dumbing down and choking away individual freedoms in our lives. Same for the min cylinder finish height.
Pilots know that engaging in any activity that exceeds 10 mph or 10 feet high has an element of danger. Let the pilot decide whether to chance a landing in field with hidden fences, wires, holes, crops, or animals or climb out and fly home.
As for the worry that a low save gives the pilot an advantage on the score sheet, forget it. Such events eat up a lot of time and result in a back page score.

Karl Striedieck


Thank you Karl, Exactly!
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Old January 30th 18, 05:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-7, Karl Striedieck wrote:
This hard deck concept fits in with the liberal, big brother, zero pain concept emanating from DC that is gradually dumbing down and choking away individual freedoms in our lives. Same for the min cylinder finish height.
Pilots know that engaging in any activity that exceeds 10 mph or 10 feet high has an element of danger. Let the pilot decide whether to chance a landing in field with hidden fences, wires, holes, crops, or animals or climb out and fly home.
As for the worry that a low save gives the pilot an advantage on the score sheet, forget it. Such events eat up a lot of time and result in a back page score.

Karl Striedieck


Karl said it for me! Any experienced cross-country pilot should be capable of making these decisions for themselves and not be subjected to an increasing barrage of restrictive rules. There are times when you can safely execute a low save (Helmut Reichmann describes one in his book) and times when you shouldn't even try. Similarly flying near mountain ridges where a rough thermal could toss you into the rocks but smooth ridge lift or weaker thermals might be safe. And if you can't properly plan and execute a final glide, you should take up another sport!

Mike

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Old January 30th 18, 06:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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"There are times when you can safely execute a low save (Helmut Reichmann describes one in his book) and times when you shouldn't even try."

If we could see some contest flight logs demonstrating the former then this might all go away as you wish.
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Old January 30th 18, 06:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 9:37:25 AM UTC-8, Mike the Strike wrote:

Karl said it for me! Any experienced cross-country pilot should be capable of making these decisions for themselves and not be subjected to an increasing barrage of restrictive rules. There are times when you can safely execute a low save (Helmut Reichmann describes one in his book) and times when you shouldn't even try. Similarly flying near mountain ridges where a rough thermal could toss you into the rocks but smooth ridge lift or weaker thermals might be safe. And if you can't properly plan and execute a final glide, you should take up another sport!

Mike


“One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity there ain’t nothing can beat teamwork.”
Mark Twain
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Old January 30th 18, 07:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 1:12:08 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 9:37:25 AM UTC-8, Mike the Strike wrote:

Karl said it for me! Any experienced cross-country pilot should be capable of making these decisions for themselves and not be subjected to an increasing barrage of restrictive rules. There are times when you can safely execute a low save (Helmut Reichmann describes one in his book) and times when you shouldn't even try. Similarly flying near mountain ridges where a rough thermal could toss you into the rocks but smooth ridge lift or weaker thermals might be safe. And if you can't properly plan and execute a final glide, you should take up another sport!

Mike


“One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity there ain’t nothing can beat teamwork.”
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what the hell did mark twain know. he was dumb enough to spend summers in elmira, when he could been in Uvalde or Hobbs.
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Old January 30th 18, 05:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:40:35 AM UTC-6, Karl Striedieck wrote:
This hard deck concept fits in with the liberal, big brother, zero pain concept emanating from DC that is gradually dumbing down and choking away individual freedoms in our lives. Same for the min cylinder finish height.
Pilots know that engaging in any activity that exceeds 10 mph or 10 feet high has an element of danger. Let the pilot decide whether to chance a landing in field with hidden fences, wires, holes, crops, or animals or climb out and fly home.
As for the worry that a low save gives the pilot an advantage on the score sheet, forget it. Such events eat up a lot of time and result in a back page score.

Karl Striedieck


Not a racer, but assigning a political "concept" one way or the other to a rule suggestion is one of the more ridiculous ideas I can think of. Do you really think there is an actual connection between the two? Or would it be better that it be taken at face value as an honest suggestion to improve safety. Nah, must come from someones agenda apparently. Maybe the connection you find is more about you than anything having to do with the rule suggestion.
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Old January 30th 18, 06:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 8:40:35 AM UTC-8, Karl Striedieck wrote:
As for the worry that a low save gives the pilot an advantage on the score sheet, forget it. Such events eat up a lot of time and result in a back page score.

Karl Striedieck


On a day when most people can stay high, true. On a day when only a few make it home, not true. In a contest where that day determines the winner, a single low save can determine the winner.

That's why a scoring change might be able to accomplish the same goal: throwing out the low day score, or the high and low score of each contestant. Consistency counts for more, and would influence behavior some too - if a guy is at 500 ft and struggling he will just think, "I'll throw this one out" and execute a safe landing.

I'd like to think there is some middle ground between complete proscribed flight and the notion that making it back with all your blood inside and your heart still beating is defined as a safe flight.
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Old January 30th 18, 06:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I propose a rule that says on every flight you are guilty of breaking the rule and get zero points. Until you have defended your IGC trace before a jury of your peers. Impartial jury of fellow competitors, that absolutely doesn't hate you because your trailer is ugly and your crew is pretty...
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Old January 30th 18, 07:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Am I the only one who sees the irony of two of the often expressed
views, Hard Deck vs. Dwindling Contest Participation?



On 1/30/2018 11:14 AM, wrote:
I propose a rule that says on every flight you are guilty of breaking the rule and get zero points. Until you have defended your IGC trace before a jury of your peers. Impartial jury of fellow competitors, that absolutely doesn't hate you because your trailer is ugly and your crew is pretty...


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