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March 12th 18, 02:22 PM
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$75,000 2-33
So what's the story here? You are richest country in the world and insist on flying crappiest, oldest, cheapest training gliders known to earth. Please shine some light for us, training in poor countries with modern german gliders.
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March 12th 18, 02:43 PM
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On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 10:22:12 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote:
So what's the story here? You are richest country in the world and insist on flying crappiest, oldest, cheapest training gliders known to earth. Please shine some light for us, training in poor countries with modern german gliders. Send me a link to your club website? I'd like to see what you have for equipment, membership, cost structure. best, Evan Ludeman / T8
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March 12th 18, 02:55 PM
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maanantai 12. maaliskuuta 2018 16.44.02 UTC+2 Tango Eight kirjoitti:
On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 10:22:12 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote: So what's the story here? You are richest country in the world and insist on flying crappiest, oldest, cheapest training gliders known to earth. Please shine some light for us, training in poor countries with modern german gliders. Send me a link to your club website? I'd like to see what you have for equipment, membership, cost structure. best, Evan Ludeman / T8 ASK21, Duo, Junior, LS1-f, 2*LS8, D2b, V2c. Appr. 1500 USD per year and you can fly everything as much as you can, or hourly rate of up to 30 USD/hr plus 300 USD fixed per year.
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#4
March 12th 18, 03:26 PM
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Le lundi 12 mars 2018 15:55:51 UTC+1, krasw a écritÂ*:
maanantai 12. maaliskuuta 2018 16.44.02 UTC+2 Tango Eight kirjoitti: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 10:22:12 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote: So what's the story here? You are richest country in the world and insist on flying crappiest, oldest, cheapest training gliders known to earth. Please shine some light for us, training in poor countries with modern german gliders. Send me a link to your club website? I'd like to see what you have for equipment, membership, cost structure. best, Evan Ludeman / T8 ASK21, Duo, Junior, LS1-f, 2*LS8, D2b, V2c. Appr. 1500 USD per year and you can fly everything as much as you can, or hourly rate of up to 30 USD/hr plus 300 USD fixed per year. Same style and price level for us: 2x ASK21 2x DuoDiscus 2x LS4 2x LS8-18
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March 12th 18, 03:43 PM
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On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 8:26:25 AM UTC-7, Tango Whisky wrote:
Le lundi 12 mars 2018 15:55:51 UTC+1, krasw a écritÂ*: maanantai 12. maaliskuuta 2018 16.44.02 UTC+2 Tango Eight kirjoitti: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 10:22:12 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote: So what's the story here? You are richest country in the world and insist on flying crappiest, oldest, cheapest training gliders known to earth. Please shine some light for us, training in poor countries with modern german gliders. Send me a link to your club website? I'd like to see what you have for equipment, membership, cost structure. best, Evan Ludeman / T8 ASK21, Duo, Junior, LS1-f, 2*LS8, D2b, V2c. Appr. 1500 USD per year and you can fly everything as much as you can, or hourly rate of up to 30 USD/hr plus 300 USD fixed per year. Same style and price level for us: 2x ASK21 2x DuoDiscus 2x LS4 2x LS8-18 What club where and how to join?
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#6
March 12th 18, 09:10 PM
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 08:43:36 -0700 (PDT), "Jonathan St. Cloud"
wrote: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 8:26:25 AM UTC-7, Tango Whisky wrote: Le lundi 12 mars 2018 15:55:51 UTC+1, krasw a écrit*: maanantai 12. maaliskuuta 2018 16.44.02 UTC+2 Tango Eight kirjoitti: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 10:22:12 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote: So what's the story here? You are richest country in the world and insist on flying crappiest, oldest, cheapest training gliders known to earth. Please shine some light for us, training in poor countries with modern german gliders. Send me a link to your club website? I'd like to see what you have for equipment, membership, cost structure. best, Evan Ludeman / T8 ASK21, Duo, Junior, LS1-f, 2*LS8, D2b, V2c. Appr. 1500 USD per year and you can fly everything as much as you can, or hourly rate of up to 30 USD/hr plus 300 USD fixed per year. Same style and price level for us: 2x ASK21 2x DuoDiscus 2x LS4 2x LS8-18 What club where and how to join? ASK-21 Ka-8b Valentin Mistral B DG-300 ASW-24 ASW-27 Duo Discus Dimona motorglider $600 per year for the gliders, including ALL fees for winch launching. Unlimited time. Not unusual for Germany, I'd like to add.
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March 12th 18, 03:43 PM
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What club where and how to join? We need more clubs like this.
On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:55:51 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote: ASK21, Duo, Junior, LS1-f, 2*LS8, D2b, V2c. Appr. 1500 USD per year and you can fly everything as much as you can, or hourly rate of up to 30 USD/hr plus 300 USD fixed per year.
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#8
March 12th 18, 04:04 PM
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Le lundi 12 mars 2018 16:43:16 UTC+1, Jonathan St. Cloud a écritÂ*:
What club where and how to join? We need more clubs like this. On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:55:51 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote: ASK21, Duo, Junior, LS1-f, 2*LS8, D2b, V2c. Appr. 1500 USD per year and you can fly everything as much as you can, or hourly rate of up to 30 USD/hr plus 300 USD fixed per year. Bex (LSGB), Western Switzerland. Command of French language would help. http://www.lesmartinets.org
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#9
March 12th 18, 05:22 PM
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At 16:04 12 March 2018, Tango Whisky wrote:
Le lundi 12 mars 2018 16:43:16 UTC+1, Jonathan St. Cloud a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0= : What club where and how to join? We need more clubs like this.=20 =20 On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:55:51 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote: =20 =20 ASK21, Duo, Junior, LS1-f, 2*LS8, D2b, V2c. Appr. 1500 USD per year and= you can fly everything as much as you can, or hourly rate of up to 30 USD/= hr plus 300 USD fixed per year. Bex (LSGB), Western Switzerland. Command of French language would help. http://www.lesmartinets.org and how much of your fleet,equipment, clubhouse, was funded by the Swiss Lottery or other sources other than club members?
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March 12th 18, 07:04 PM
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$75,000 2-33
Maybe 5%.
We are about 50 members, and the inflow of new members is not bad. Now, if we had trash bins from Schweizer on display, we'd been long gone. I've soloed and lateron instructed in Ka7's (which could be considered as the "European 2-33", just being 30 years ahead), but that was 30+ years ago. Who wants to dwelve on the middle ages?! Certainly a Ka7 or your local variety teaches you how to fly, but so does any modern glider. You can't have 2-33 in a club AND complain about dwindling membership. And yes - even in Europe we had these things, but must club managements managed to build up the switch over time. And tell those folks who claim that dinosaur gliders are the best way to learn the real thing... to go to hell.
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