AS 33

At 04:51 05 July 2018, Charlie Quebec wrote:
3 x faulty tail wheel cable swaging.=20
1x engine hinge hole drilled thru radio coax, and leaking water from
outer
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panel rear drag pin.=20
All brand new from factory.=20
That=E2=80=99s all the info you need, in deference to the repairer,
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=80=99s all your getting.
All seen by in person.


and S/H DG. ASW etc have had no quality control issues in the past? Come
on.

Ive never seen any of those brands in the same repair shop with faults from new.
Perhaps instead of hand waving you could show some examples?
Yeh, I thought not.

To be fair, all the discus family with spar bonding issues iirc.

Cheers Ben

Where to start?

AS-W20 wing angle of incidence wrong on many brand new ships. Many -20's required new control surfaces.

Numerous modern ships of all flavors with significant "spar waves". Same with gel coat that was failing from when shipped. If gliders were pickups, there would be class action lawsuits over these issues.

Recent bolt issues in Wankel engines.

Numerous examples of all brands where the as-built ship does not match the blueprints in either the composite structure or the hardware install.

Not that i could ever afford it, but I would never buy a brand new ship. All are one-off handbuilt with lots of opportunity for operator error.

Originally Posted by Charlie Quebec

Ive never seen any of those brands in the same repair shop with faults from new.
Perhaps instead of hand waving you could show some examples?
Yeh, I thought not.

A snippet from a SH TN for example

SUBJECT: Elevator, fixing of mass balance weights
AFFECTED: Sailplane Ventus-2a, Ventus-2b (TC-No.: 349)
(all S/Nos complying with Modification Bulletin No. 349-42 or modified
according Technical Note No. 349-27 and equipped with a new tail unit))
S/Nos: 1, 2, 31, 32, 48, 54, 71, 117, 124 through 151 and 153
Sailplane Discus-2a, Discus-2b (TC-No.: 360)
S/Nos: 1 through 185, 187 through 189
Powered sailplane Discus-2T (TC-No. 863)
S/Nos: 1 through 33

REASON: During a pre-flight check of a Discus-2T a roughness of the elevator
control was noticed. After the removal of one elevator two loose
pieces of lead were found. The outmost mass balance weight was
separated and broken in two pieces.

On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 12:52:24 AM UTC+1, Charlie Quebec wrote:
Ive never seen any of those brands in the same repair shop with faults from new.
Perhaps instead of hand waving you could show some examples?
Yeh, I thought not.

On delivery. Gliders I have bought new:

LS7: OK
Discus Bt OK - but it was completed and fitted out in the UK.

Duo T - TE tube not connected in the fin.

Discus 2cT - a tailplane rigging knob found to be stuck between the base of the fin and rudder (presumably dropped down form the top in the factor.

JS1c - fin ballast dump valve blocked. I spent 2 full days at the factory inspecting, test flying and collecting that one and we all still missed it.

Like someone else said, they are all hand built. They go through different fittings installations depending on the owner's requirements. I'd happily buy from JS, SH or Schleicher and am waiting for a Ventus at present.

JS-1C............’Da Bomb!!!!