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Old July 15th 18, 11:22 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 9:45:06 PM UTC+2, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-
mexico/articles/2018-07-11/albuquerque-man-dies-in-glider-crash-
near-moriarty-airport


He was so excited about his new V3.


There's a hint. Not saying this is the cause for this accident, but it's sad to see how many people in the past have gotten into trouble for being too confident flying a new aircraft they haven't yet fully figured out. I know all of you who have been around aircraft for any significant amount of time know what I am talking about. Last time I saw this happen was in Mass., where a new pilot from the UK had never flown an aircraft with flaps and got them wrong on final. He ended up in a tree at the far end of the runway, thankfully with nothing but a bruised ego, but we never saw him again.
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Old July 15th 18, 02:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Renny was a very thoughtful and careful pilot.Â* His hangar faced mine
and I was there when he brought his new V3 home.Â* Were it me, I would
have flown it that day, but Renny spent well over a week making sure
everything was just right before taking it up for the first time.

Previously he'd flown a LAK-17bFES for 8 or 9 years, so the added
complexity of the FES was probably not an issue.Â* Before that it was a
Discus, I believe; that was before I met him so I can't say for sure,
but I understand he'd flown gliders for around 40 years.

I don't believe his excitement about his new ship had anything to do
with his unfortunate accident.Â* And, though I have little faith in the
outcome of a formal investigation, I'll wait to see what they say before
making any judgments.

On 7/15/2018 4:22 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 9:45:06 PM UTC+2, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-
mexico/articles/2018-07-11/albuquerque-man-dies-in-glider-crash-
near-moriarty-airport
He was so excited about his new V3.

There's a hint. Not saying this is the cause for this accident, but it's sad to see how many people in the past have gotten into trouble for being too confident flying a new aircraft they haven't yet fully figured out. I know all of you who have been around aircraft for any significant amount of time know what I am talking about. Last time I saw this happen was in Mass., where a new pilot from the UK had never flown an aircraft with flaps and got them wrong on final. He ended up in a tree at the far end of the runway, thankfully with nothing but a bruised ego, but we never saw him again.


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Old July 15th 18, 03:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 12:22:03 PM UTC+2, wrote:

Last time I saw this happen was in Mass., where a new pilot from the UK had never flown an aircraft with flaps and got them wrong on final.


I meant to say "where a highy experienced pilot from the UK with a new glider had never flown an aircraft with flaps..."
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Old July 15th 18, 04:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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The LAK-17 is a flapped ship, so I doubt flaps had anything to do with
it.Â* Let's not blame the pilot prematurely.

On 7/15/2018 8:25 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 12:22:03 PM UTC+2, wrote:
Last time I saw this happen was in Mass., where a new pilot from the UK had never flown an aircraft with flaps and got them wrong on final.

I meant to say "where a highy experienced pilot from the UK with a new glider had never flown an aircraft with flaps..."


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Old July 15th 18, 05:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 5:37:11 PM UTC+2, Dan Marotta wrote:
The LAK-17 is a flapped ship, so I doubt flaps had anything to do with
it.Â* Let's not blame the pilot prematurely.


Better yet, let's not put words in my mouth. You said that, not me. What I said is crystal clear: "Not saying this is the cause for this accident..."
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Old July 15th 18, 10:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Anybody check the tail weight? Remember the guy that told the factory to put in 4 pounds of tail weight and they put in 4 kilograms! I have had good relations with the Federollies over the years, but found it necessary to lead them in the right direction, a time or two. We had an accident where the spoilers stuck wide open and the ship crashed on final. Feds missed the cause completely and I filed the defect report that generated an AD.
Sad news,
JJ
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Old July 16th 18, 01:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 3:04:02 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Anybody check the tail weight? Remember the guy that told the factory to put in 4 pounds of tail weight and they put in 4 kilograms! I have had good relations with the Federollies over the years, but found it necessary to lead them in the right direction, a time or two. We had an accident where the spoilers stuck wide open and the ship crashed on final. Feds missed the cause completely and I filed the defect report that generated an AD.
Sad news,
JJ


Yes.

According to Renny, when I spoke to him two weeks or so before the accident, there had been a W&B done several flights prior and the sailplane was flying with a reasonable CG position - don't remember the exact number but mid range-ish.

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Old July 16th 18, 03:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Is there any information on the weather conditions?

SeeYou Mobile, if present, can record True Airspeed and Groundspeed in one second intervals, depending on the instrumentation.

Sudden changes in TAS - GS demonstrate windshear.

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Old August 17th 18, 04:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 4:22:03 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 9:45:06 PM UTC+2, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-
mexico/articles/2018-07-11/albuquerque-man-dies-in-glider-crash-
near-moriarty-airport


He was so excited about his new V3.


There's a hint. Not saying this is the cause for this accident, but it's sad to see how many people in the past have gotten into trouble for being too confident flying a new aircraft they haven't yet fully figured out. I know all of you who have been around aircraft for any significant amount of time know what I am talking about. Last time I saw this happen was in Mass., where a new pilot from the UK had never flown an aircraft with flaps and got them wrong on final. He ended up in a tree at the far end of the runway, thankfully with nothing but a bruised ego, but we never saw him again.


Was that guy flying a PIK-20B by any chance?
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Old August 17th 18, 09:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I honestly don't remember, this was some years ago. I left that club because I considered it to have the worst attitude towards safety I had ever seen.

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 5:03:51 AM UTC+2, wrote:

Was that guy flying a PIK-20B by any chance?


 




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