Ventus 3F - Fatal

On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 12:22:03 PM UTC+2, wrote:

Last time I saw this happen was in Mass., where a new pilot from the UK had never flown an aircraft with flaps and got them wrong on final.

I meant to say "where a highy experienced pilot from the UK with a new glider had never flown an aircraft with flaps..."

The LAK-17 is a flapped ship, so I doubt flaps had anything to do with
it.Â* Let's not blame the pilot prematurely.

On 7/15/2018 8:25 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 12:22:03 PM UTC+2, wrote:
Last time I saw this happen was in Mass., where a new pilot from the UK had never flown an aircraft with flaps and got them wrong on final.
I meant to say "where a highy experienced pilot from the UK with a new glider had never flown an aircraft with flaps..."

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Dan, 5J

On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 5:37:11 PM UTC+2, Dan Marotta wrote:
The LAK-17 is a flapped ship, so I doubt flaps had anything to do with
it.Â* Let's not blame the pilot prematurely.

Better yet, let's not put words in my mouth. You said that, not me. What I said is crystal clear: "Not saying this is the cause for this accident..."

Anybody check the tail weight? Remember the guy that told the factory to put in 4 pounds of tail weight and they put in 4 kilograms! I have had good relations with the Federollies over the years, but found it necessary to lead them in the right direction, a time or two. We had an accident where the spoilers stuck wide open and the ship crashed on final. Feds missed the cause completely and I filed the defect report that generated an AD.
Sad news,
JJ

On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 3:04:02 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Anybody check the tail weight? Remember the guy that told the factory to put in 4 pounds of tail weight and they put in 4 kilograms! I have had good relations with the Federollies over the years, but found it necessary to lead them in the right direction, a time or two. We had an accident where the spoilers stuck wide open and the ship crashed on final. Feds missed the cause completely and I filed the defect report that generated an AD.
Sad news,
JJ

Yes.

According to Renny, when I spoke to him two weeks or so before the accident, there had been a W&B done several flights prior and the sailplane was flying with a reasonable CG position - don't remember the exact number but mid range-ish.

Mike

Is there any information on the weather conditions?

SeeYou Mobile, if present, can record True Airspeed and Groundspeed in one second intervals, depending on the instrumentation.

Sudden changes in TAS - GS demonstrate windshear.

On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 8:15:25 PM UTC-6, George Haeh wrote:
Is there any information on the weather conditions?

SeeYou Mobile, if present, can record True Airspeed and Groundspeed in one second intervals, depending on the instrumentation.

Sudden changes in TAS - GS demonstrate windshear.

According to a friend on the ground that day, conditions at the airport did not seem severe at any time during Renny's flight. Pilots reported good soaring conditions via OLC.

I was told there is recorded tracking info.

Mike