US team silence

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 9:00:06 AM UTC-7, Justin Craig wrote:
At 14:02 24 July 2018, Charlie Quebec wrote:
Imagine how whiny Kawa would be if he didn't win.
Don't worry Tom, you are no great loss.


PROBABLY AS WHINY AS SEAN FIDLER

OH....Hi Sean

Civility goes a long way to keeping a functioning newsgroup! Since you mentioned him, Sean Fidler is a real world example. His is one of America's top competition pilots, young and enthusiastic (at least was) about the sport.. He is now off this newsgroup. When we host and share different views points without banal comments everyone benefits.

On 7/24/2018 11:01 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 9:00:06 AM UTC-7, Justin Craig wrote:
At 14:02 24 July 2018, Charlie Quebec wrote: Imagine how whiny Kawa would
be if he didn't win. Don't worry Tom, you are no great loss.


PROBABLY AS WHINY AS SEAN FIDLER

OH....Hi Sean

Civility goes a long way to keeping a functioning newsgroup!

I 100% agree.
- - - - - -

Since you
mentioned him, Sean Fidler is a real world example. His is one of
America's top competition pilots, young and enthusiastic (at least was)
about the sport. He is now off this newsgroup. When we host and share
different views points without banal comments everyone benefits.

Now THAT's funny! I doubt I'm the only one to notice the irremovable irony
associated with this particular example.

Bob W.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

i love the sight of whining in the morning, it sounds like victory.
LMAO

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-6, Charlie Quebec wrote:
i love the sight of whining in the morning, it sounds like victory.
LMAO

OK, THAT'S funny. I am going to steal it immediately and use it at many inappropriate moments when someone grovels for sympathy. Thanks, CQ!

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 9:45:14 PM UTC-4, Charlie Quebec wrote:
i love the sight of whining in the morning, it sounds like victory.
LMAO

My read is that he does not agree with where the sport is going and is speaking up.
He is far from the only pilot that does not think that the evolution of the sport to providing continually increased amounts of outside information is a good thing.
As a leader, if he doesn't speak out, who will?
There are known ways to deal with some of these issues:
Examples:
FLARM competition mode to reduce the tactical benefit of FLARM radar.
Delayed availability of tracking information.
Others
UH

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:39 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 9:45:14 PM UTC-4, Charlie Quebec wrote:
i love the sight of whining in the morning, it sounds like victory.
LMAO

My read is that he does not agree with where the sport is going and is speaking up.
He is far from the only pilot that does not think that the evolution of the sport to providing continually increased amounts of outside information is a good thing.
As a leader, if he doesn't speak out, who will?
There are known ways to deal with some of these issues:
Examples:
FLARM competition mode to reduce the tactical benefit of FLARM radar.
Delayed availability of tracking information.
Others
UH

Well, just to keep everyone straight...

Stealth mode reduces the tactical benefits of flarm radar.

Competition mode reduces alarm sensitivity in gaggles to a level that is useful for competition.

Sebastian, or the software translation to English, confused the two as well..

I don't think whining from the podium is apt to be productive. All it did for John McEnroe is to cause people like me (not a big tennis fan) to think of him as that "very talented... incredibly whiny little snot". Did he do anything to improve the sport?

There's an IGC rules process. It moves slowly, with great pain, but probably faster than the equivalent in tennis. Sebastian, just by virtue of celebrity, has better access to this process than most. I generally agree with him, I wish him well with articulating his views in a way that results in positive change.

Side comment on flarm for all the noisy "stealth mode" detractors... it's just software. Flarm's stealth mode could be improved quite a lot. All one need do to make the "radar" display about safety and not leeching is strip all the ID (including radio ID) and limit range /delta altitude to 1km / 150m for gliders flying in same direction and say 3km / 300m for gliders on opposing or intersecting courses cruising at speed. The collision alarm functions remain completely independent, as now.

Evan Ludeman

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-7, Tango Eight wrote:
On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:39 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 9:45:14 PM UTC-4, Charlie Quebec wrote:
i love the sight of whining in the morning, it sounds like victory.
LMAO

My read is that he does not agree with where the sport is going and is speaking up.
He is far from the only pilot that does not think that the evolution of the sport to providing continually increased amounts of outside information is a good thing.
As a leader, if he doesn't speak out, who will?
There are known ways to deal with some of these issues:
Examples:
FLARM competition mode to reduce the tactical benefit of FLARM radar.
Delayed availability of tracking information.
Others
UH

Well, just to keep everyone straight...

Stealth mode reduces the tactical benefits of flarm radar.

Competition mode reduces alarm sensitivity in gaggles to a level that is useful for competition.

Sebastian, or the software translation to English, confused the two as well.

I don't think whining from the podium is apt to be productive. All it did for John McEnroe is to cause people like me (not a big tennis fan) to think of him as that "very talented... incredibly whiny little snot". Did he do anything to improve the sport?

There's an IGC rules process. It moves slowly, with great pain, but probably faster than the equivalent in tennis. Sebastian, just by virtue of celebrity, has better access to this process than most. I generally agree with him, I wish him well with articulating his views in a way that results in positive change.

Side comment on flarm for all the noisy "stealth mode" detractors... it's just software. Flarm's stealth mode could be improved quite a lot. All one need do to make the "radar" display about safety and not leeching is strip all the ID (including radio ID) and limit range /delta altitude to 1km / 150m for gliders flying in same direction and say 3km / 300m for gliders on opposing or intersecting courses cruising at speed. The collision alarm functions remain completely independent, as now.

Evan Ludeman

"I don't think whining from the podium is apt to be productive. All it did for John McEnroe is to cause people like me (not a big tennis fan) to think of him as that "very talented... incredibly whiny little snot". Did he do anything to improve the sport?"

Yes, it did - ultimately they came up with video analysis for line calls (but not before McEnroe retired). This shows how bad some calls are - and gives McEnroe a chance to gloat over how right he was.

The improvement of the sport can only occur thru critical analysis of its faults, with emphasis on "critical."

Tom

There are known ways to deal with some of these issues:
Examples:
FLARM competition mode to reduce the tactical benefit of FLARM radar.
Delayed availability of tracking information.
Others
UH

Well UH, I and a lot of other racers have found that Flarm radar makes racing more fun. Most of us are in it for the fun of it. Let's not mess with that great feature please.

And messing with delayed tracking would reduce the fun and usefulness of crew following and race monitoring. So that's a bad idea also.

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 10:35:25 AM UTC-4, Steve Koerner wrote:
There are known ways to deal with some of these issues:
Examples:
FLARM competition mode to reduce the tactical benefit of FLARM radar.
Delayed availability of tracking information.
Others
UH

Well UH, I and a lot of other racers have found that Flarm radar makes racing more fun. Most of us are in it for the fun of it. Let's not mess with that great feature please.

And messing with delayed tracking would reduce the fun and usefulness of crew following and race monitoring. So that's a bad idea also.

What's fun at regional level (and I think open flarm & real time tracking are good things at the regional level) becomes problematic at WGC.

Evan

At 14:35 25 July 2018, Steve Koerner wrote:

There are known ways to deal with some of these issues:
Examples:
FLARM competition mode to reduce the tactical benefit of FLARM
radar.
Delayed availability of tracking information.
Others
UH

Well UH, I and a lot of other racers have found that Flarm radar
makes
racing more fun. Most of us are in it for the fun of it. Let's not
mess
with that great feature please.

And messing with delayed tracking would reduce the fun and
usefulness of
crew following and race monitoring. So that's a bad idea also.

Steve,
You are confusing pilots who are out to win a World Championship
with others who just want to tag along for fun. Kawa and other
serious racers are out to win a WGC, and the best ones don't want
others to be able to tag along for fun, or to gain a competitive
advantage on them through this technology. They view this as
leeching off their better glider flying abilities. That's why some of
them want the FAI WGC rules changed. You are not racing under
FAI WGC rules in the USA. UH is just making some suggestions
where the FAI WGC rules could be modified to lessen the gripes that
serious racers like Kawa have with the system as it exists now.
RO