Silent Skies

Ask for an exception. Been granted to others in the past. Or move the club to Wurtsboro for the next 6 years.

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 9:48:47 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Ask for an exception. Been granted to others in the past. Or move the club to Wurtsboro for the next 6 years.

An exception? How about giving us the details, maybe we
can use it as an example, and ask for the same thing.

I guess the Festival of Ballooning is going on this weekend
at Solburg AP, but I've heard different versions of how they
can operate. The latest says that when the balloons launch,
the first and last balloons have to carry transponders, and
they can only fly if the wind is blowing away from Trump's
golf club.

Jim Beckman

On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 4:13:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 9:48:47 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Ask for an exception. Been granted to others in the past. Or move the club to Wurtsboro for the next 6 years.

An exception? How about giving us the details, maybe we
can use it as an example, and ask for the same thing.
Already mentioned. Skydive New England got permission to jump during Bush vacation TFRs in Maine. The glider club just outside of DC operates in or near the SuperDuperTFR. And some balloon guys apparently got permission. Jeezus if the balloon guys can do it how hard can it be?
Plus there is calling bcrats in the TFR business. Start with the FAA and work your way up the Secret Service. They aren't going to beat you up just cause you asked for something. 20 years of this stuff it ain't new. And please no one vote for Pocahontas cause that would be likely to zap my club.

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 4:04:38 AM UTC-4, wrote:

Skydive New England got permission to jump during Bush vacation TFRs in Maine.

They were actually jumping inside the TFR? Or just
flying the jump plane in and out?

The glider club just outside of DC operates in or near the SuperDuperTFR.

Which TFR is that?

And some balloon guys apparently got permission.

For a one-time event, and a big deal that was scheduled months
(or years) in advance. And pretty heavily restricted.


Start with the FAA and work your way up the Secret Service.

I believe JRS did just that last year, asking for a cutout
or corridor like Stroudsburg has. Secret Service said no,
we aren't close enough to the TFR boundary. And I suspect
they'd pretty much require transponders in any gliders flying
within the boundary.

Jim Beckman

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 11:21:35 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 4:04:38 AM UTC-4, wrote:

Skydive New England got permission to jump during Bush vacation TFRs in Maine.

They were actually jumping inside the TFR? Or just
flying the jump plane in and out?

The glider club just outside of DC operates in or near the SuperDuperTFR.

Which TFR is that?

And some balloon guys apparently got permission.

For a one-time event, and a big deal that was scheduled months
(or years) in advance. And pretty heavily restricted.


Start with the FAA and work your way up the Secret Service.

I believe JRS did just that last year, asking for a cutout
or corridor like Stroudsburg has. Secret Service said no,
we aren't close enough to the TFR boundary. And I suspect
they'd pretty much require transponders in any gliders flying
within the boundary.

Jim Beckman

Yes they were jumping in the TFR. You say the balloon event was planned for a long time but your club has been around since the twenties. The DC area glider club has been mentioned here, I haven't looked at a sectional but understand they are close to Camp David and the DC permanent TFR. Separate your politics from the task at hand and go ask for permission or move. And please don't vote for Pocahontas in 2020 cause that would probably screw up my club. Lolz

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 5:00:37 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 11:21:35 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 4:04:38 AM UTC-4, wrote:

Skydive New England got permission to jump during Bush vacation TFRs in Maine.

They were actually jumping inside the TFR? Or just
flying the jump plane in and out?

The glider club just outside of DC operates in or near the SuperDuperTFR.

Which TFR is that?

And some balloon guys apparently got permission.

For a one-time event, and a big deal that was scheduled months
(or years) in advance. And pretty heavily restricted.


Start with the FAA and work your way up the Secret Service.

I believe JRS did just that last year, asking for a cutout
or corridor like Stroudsburg has. Secret Service said no,
we aren't close enough to the TFR boundary. And I suspect
they'd pretty much require transponders in any gliders flying
within the boundary.

Jim Beckman

Yes they were jumping in the TFR. You say the balloon event was planned for a long time but your club has been around since the twenties. The DC area glider club has been mentioned here, I haven't looked at a sectional but understand they are close to Camp David and the DC permanent TFR. Separate your politics from the task at hand and go ask for permission or move. And please don't vote for Pocahontas in 2020 cause that would probably screw up my club. Lolz

POLITICS HAS PLACE AT RAS!

Yes they were jumping in the TFR.

The jumpers have some advantages in that they don't travel a
very long distance horizontally, and the jump planes are
transponder equipped. Of course our towplanes are similarly
equipped, but once the gliders release, where they go is hard
to predict.

Separate your politics from the task at hand and go
ask for permission or move.

That's already been done, and the Secret Service said no.
I understand what the SS is trying to do -- sanitize the
airspace around the President wherever he is, so that any
unidentified aircraft in the zone is a legitimate target.
Given that powered GA aircraft aren't allowed to just
wander around in the TFR, I don't see any hope for gliders.
It's a bad situation and we're stuck with it. Gliding
has been fading away gradually for years around here.
The Blairstown club and commercial operations are the only
gliding activity left in all of New Jersey. I'm appalled
by the idea that it could be Donald Trump that puts the
final nail in the coffin, but it could very well happen.

I know that AOPA is trying to work out some sort of
compromise, and I have a lot more hope in them being
able to accomplish something than the SSA. So everybody
should be a member of AOPA if you're not already.

Jim Beckman

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-4, wrote:

And please don't vote for Pocahontas in 2020 cause that would probably screw up my club.

I don't think any President has spent as much time away
from D.C. as the current resident of the White House.
This latest TFR makes it six out of seven weekends so far.
More to come. So much winning!

Jim Beckman