What magic do the JS3 and Ventus 3 have that the ASG-29 Does not?

Perhaps try thinking before stating the bleeding obvious.
Let’s make it simple for you, old winglets work equally well at low speed, more drag at high speed.

I'm no expert on winglets, but it's my understanding that not all old winglets work equally well at low reynolds numbers. I've heard some factory winglets were quite ineffective so the owners went to 3rd parties. Someone help me out here; I believe I read that some winglets significantly improved the safety of certain models (Ventus? ASW20?) from low speed wing drops. Not a physicist, yet I highly doubt you can accurately measure a 0.25 L/D improvement at high speeds. What method did he use to test? That seems to be well within the noise. (BTW you got docked points for rudeness. It doesn't encourage free exchange of ideas. I'm sure you meant well.)

Quarter million dollars.....yikes!!!

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 7:48:30 PM UTC-7, Bojack J4 wrote:
Quarter million dollars.....yikes!!!

After posting in the GLIDING INTERNATIONAL thread, I realised that there is a great way to get a fire sale ASG29:
Like Rick Indrebo, buy a wreck and spend a few years working on it.
Jim

Originally Posted by Bojack J4

Quarter million dollars.....yikes!!!

Both the JS3 and the Ventus 3 are much less expensive. You are misinformed - some posters should get their facts straight before they hit send.

Brett

Well, $190K really is much less expensive than $250K, but it's still a
lot of money.

On 8/17/2018 1:50 AM, Brett wrote:
Bojack J4;974727 Wrote:
Quarter million dollars.....yikes!!!
Both the JS3 and the Ventus 3 are much less expensive. You are
misinformed - some posters should get their facts straight before they
hit send.

Brett





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Dan, 5J

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 5:43:09 AM UTC-7, Brett wrote:
Bojack J4;974727 Wrote:
Quarter million dollars.....yikes!!!

Both the JS3 and the Ventus 3 are much less expensive. You are
misinformed - some posters should get their facts straight before they
hit send.

Brett




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Brett

No, I am not. Okay, perhaps I am on the high side by $20,000. If you have never ordered a new glider, budget twenty percent more than you price it out. In September of 2015 a new well equipped ASG-29Es delivered to Houston was $194K. A worse exchange rate, a yearly increase in price, shipping costs will be higher, new model base price increase...several years wait with more yearly price increase. EVERYTHING is an option that costs. If you are ordering a new 15/18 German or South African glider with a turbo for delivery in three years, it could get really uncomfortable if you do not have the better part of a quarter million dollars budgeted. I have ordered several new gliders and have always been unpleasantly surprised at how much more they cost than I had priced and how much longer they took to arrive than promised.

Can't you pay the quoted price when you place the order and have it
contractually fixed?

On 8/17/2018 9:02 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 5:43:09 AM UTC-7, Brett wrote:
Bojack J4;974727 Wrote:
Quarter million dollars.....yikes!!!
Both the JS3 and the Ventus 3 are much less expensive. You are
misinformed - some posters should get their facts straight before they
hit send.

Brett




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Brett
No, I am not. Okay, perhaps I am on the high side by $20,000. If you have never ordered a new glider, budget twenty percent more than you price it out. In September of 2015 a new well equipped ASG-29Es delivered to Houston was $194K. A worse exchange rate, a yearly increase in price, shipping costs will be higher, new model base price increase...several years wait with more yearly price increase. EVERYTHING is an option that costs. If you are ordering a new 15/18 German or South African glider with a turbo for delivery in three years, it could get really uncomfortable if you do not have the better part of a quarter million dollars budgeted. I have ordered several new gliders and have always been unpleasantly surprised at how much more they cost than I had priced and how much longer they took to arrive than promised.

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Dan, 5J

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:01:53 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Can't you pay the quoted price when you place the order and have it
contractually fixed?

On 8/17/2018 9:02 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 5:43:09 AM UTC-7, Brett wrote:
Bojack J4;974727 Wrote:
Quarter million dollars.....yikes!!!
Both the JS3 and the Ventus 3 are much less expensive. You are
misinformed - some posters should get their facts straight before they
hit send.

Brett




--
Brett
No, I am not. Okay, perhaps I am on the high side by $20,000. If you have never ordered a new glider, budget twenty percent more than you price it out. In September of 2015 a new well equipped ASG-29Es delivered to Houston was $194K. A worse exchange rate, a yearly increase in price, shipping costs will be higher, new model base price increase...several years wait with more yearly price increase. EVERYTHING is an option that costs. If you are ordering a new 15/18 German or South African glider with a turbo for delivery in three years, it could get really uncomfortable if you do not have the better part of a quarter million dollars budgeted. I have ordered several new gliders and have always been unpleasantly surprised at how much more they cost than I had priced and how much longer they took to arrive than promised.

--
Dan, 5J

Unless there is a historical low in your favor in the exchange rate, one is usually better served by changing money during favorable swings in exchange rate. If you want a new glider it will cost big dollars. Fortunately there are many ASG-29/27, Ventus 2's of all flavors, which for all practical purposes have the same performance as the latest JS3, V3, Dianna 3. In the 15meter WGC an ASG-29 got 1st, a Dianna 2 2nd, and a V2 4th. This tells me that if you are a competitive pilot, these ships are still competitive. I had several pilots tell me that the V2 was still the best climber even better than a V3.

If you look, I believe there is fine print about exchange rates.

The next post down from yours, yes, some peeps buy "local currency" when low and hang onto it. Then they are sorta immune to exchange rate fluctuations.

I know of a few eastern US peeps that used to play the exchange rate market. Buy when a local (overseas) currency was low (usually DM's) and then sit and wait.
Many years ago, there was a HUGE slew in rates. If you had local, great. If you converted then, welp, SOL.......

Timing can be everything.......

I was never much good at forecasting financial markets. So several months before delivery of my ASW 24 in late 1991, I began worrying that the exchange rate (D-mark) would move against me. So I bought a DM call option. I forget the amount but the contract almost covered what I owed Schleicher. It was slightly out of the money with a short-term expiration date so it seemed like cheap insurance. If the exchange rate remained the same or the DM weakened, I would lose only the small amount invested. But when the day arrived, the DM had appreciated a bit and my option was now slightly in the money. So I had a modest gain to offset the higher amount of US$ I would have to pay for my DMs. I was about to close out my position when I discovered that the type of option I had bought (European style?) allowed me to exercise through my brokerage account and actually take delivery of the underlying currency in any bank account I wished, in this case Schleicher's bank. Wow! I avoided various wire transfer fees plus currency conversion costs and got the "big bank" exchange rate. OK, the savings weren't huge: IIRC, on the order of $500 in total. But I was pretty pleased with myself. That was my last new glider.

Chip Bearden