Too many accidents

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I have been soaring since the late 70's and can recall many accidents in the past. It seems, however, that recently the accident rate has spiked. While I don't have exact data to confirm this (I'm sure our friends at the SSF have it), it seems that we are experiencing higher than average accidents and fatalities.

I find myself wondering what is causing this. Is it the complexity of gliders emerging in recent years? Is it the age/experience of the pilots? Lack of training? I don't have the answers but I would be interested in other's thoughts on the issue. One accident is too many and loss of any life is tragic.

Greig
Two videos you should view to heighten your safety. The first is especially an eye opener regarding the inadvertant spin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeI2...&feature=share

Bruno shares two thoughts about mountain flying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alk-q4golx0

Fly safely, my friends,

November Bravo

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 7:45:23 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I have been soaring since the late 70's and can recall many accidents in the past. It seems, however, that recently the accident rate has spiked. While I don't have exact data to confirm this (I'm sure our friends at the SSF have it), it seems that we are experiencing higher than average accidents and fatalities.

I find myself wondering what is causing this. Is it the complexity of gliders emerging in recent years? Is it the age/experience of the pilots? Lack of training? I don't have the answers but I would be interested in other's thoughts on the issue. One accident is too many and loss of any life is tragic.

Greig
Two videos you should view to heighten your safety. The first is especially an eye opener regarding the inadvertant spin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeI2...&feature=share

Are there seriously people who don't train such incipient spins? We certainly did in the Blanik in New Zealand in the mid 80s. Incipient spins were always demonstrated from a normal cruising nose-below-the-horizon attitude.

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 7:45:23 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I have been soaring since the late 70's and can recall many accidents in the past. It seems, however, that recently the accident rate has spiked. While I don't have exact data to confirm this (I'm sure our friends at the SSF have it), it seems that we are experiencing higher than average accidents and fatalities.

I find myself wondering what is causing this. Is it the complexity of gliders emerging in recent years? Is it the age/experience of the pilots? Lack of training? I don't have the answers but I would be interested in other's thoughts on the issue. One accident is too many and loss of any life is tragic.

Greig
Two videos you should view to heighten your safety. The first is especially an eye opener regarding the inadvertant spin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeI2...&feature=share

Bruno shares two thoughts about mountain flying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alk-q4golx0

Fly safely, my friends,

November Bravo

The first video demonstrates that most stall-spin accidents are due to uncoordinated flight and misuse of the rudder. A contributing factor is fear of seeing the ground at low altitudes. I would concentrate on detecting that, rather than angle of attack. Perhaps we need an audible yaw string (all that it would take is an accelerometer).

Bruno has a history of histrionics (glider breaks the rule of gravity, Glider Pilot Gets Desperately Low in Teton Mountains), so I wouldn't put much weight on the 2nd video.

Tom

I would put more weight on anything Bruno has to say, than anything you have to say.

At 07:37 10 September 2018, Charlie Quebec wrote:
I would put more weight on anything Bruno has to say, than anything you
have to say.

Just a thought
If most 1 seat gliders spin just from over ruddering a turn ,andK21's are
almost un-spinable.
Why don't they make a First single seat glider that handles like a K21,is
the performance loss so different?

Un-spinable? You might want to watch this and look up the USAF report conducted on the spin characteristics of the ASK-21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXH6XDxQdPY

At 13:54 10 September 2018, wrote:
Un-spinable? You might want to watch this and look up the USAF report
conducted on the spin characteristics of the ASK-21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXH6XDxQdPY

I know they will spin,but the amount of abuse it takes is way beyond "a bit
of in-attention"
The latest K21B is going to be made so it can be spun.

I have had some pupils do terrible things and as long as they don't "deep
stall" it just gets on with it.

By deep stall I mean ,pull up then push over so you are left with the
normal attitude but only 20 kt,if you put rudder or aileron in then you are
going to spin.

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 12:37:36 AM UTC-7, Charlie Quebec wrote:
I would put more weight on anything Bruno has to say, than anything you have to say.

So, are you saying that misuse of the rudder is ok? If so, I TRULY wish you luck because you will NEED IT!

Here is another Bruno bad example video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCr-H_ZkBOo

Tom

So how does one demonstrate or practice a spin or incipient spin without "misusing" the rudder?

[Puchaz excepted]

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-4, George Haeh wrote:
So how does one demonstrate or practice a spin or incipient spin without "misusing" the rudder?

[Puchaz excepted]

Put the CG behind the aft limit and a gust that hits the two wing tips differently can be enough to cause an asymetrical departure.
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