B-2 question

Billy Preston wrote:

I don't know if you have access to the numbers on logistics, but if you
compare the B-2 with any other bomber, the costs are phenomenal.


I have seen numbers in relation to $ per flying hour. They were shocking.


BUFDRVR

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Billy Preston wrote:

I don't know if you have access to the numbers on logistics, but if you
compare the B-2 with any other bomber, the costs are phenomenal.


I have seen numbers in relation to $ per flying hour. They were shocking.

But aren't those numbers supposed to be coming down quite a bit courtesy of
the new joint covering process? ISTR reading recently that a big part of the
maintenance load for the B-2 was the excessive manhours and materiel needs
for covering all of the joints and fasteners, and the new method is supposed
to radically reduce this?

Brooks



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Kevin Brooks wrote:

I have seen numbers in relation to $ per flying hour. They were shocking.

But aren't those numbers supposed to be coming down quite a bit courtesy of
the new joint covering process?

I'm not sure if the numbers I saw were before or after the improved LO
maintenance procedures.

ISTR reading recently that a big part of the
maintenance load for the B-2 was the excessive manhours and materiel needs
for covering all of the joints and fasteners, and the new method is supposed
to radically reduce this?

Very true, but I've never seen anyone boast about this saving money, just how
it will increase FMC rates and turn around jets more easily.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

But again- you have to know "what goes in to" CPFH and how it is calculated-
and then it isn't so shocking anymore. There is an *awful* lot of
"overhead" involved in fielding a weapon system- and then if you only have
one of them, and it only flies one hour per year . . . I exaggerate; but you
get my drift.

Steve Swartz




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Billy Preston wrote:

I don't know if you have access to the numbers on logistics, but if you
compare the B-2 with any other bomber, the costs are phenomenal.


I have seen numbers in relation to $ per flying hour. They were shocking.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Leslie Swartz wrote:

But again- you have to know "what goes in to" CPFH and how it is calculated-
and then it isn't so shocking anymore.

Well, I assume what goes in to B-2 flying hour cost also goes in to B-1 and
B-52 flying hour cost. It wasn't the total dollar figure per hour that shocked
me, it was the comparison with the other 2 bombers and particularly with the
B-52. Damn we're a bargain!


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

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(BUFDRVR) wrote:

Leslie Swartz wrote:

But again- you have to know "what goes in to" CPFH and how it is
calculated-
and then it isn't so shocking anymore.

Well, I assume what goes in to B-2 flying hour cost also goes in to B-1
and
B-52 flying hour cost. It wasn't the total dollar figure per hour that
shocked
me, it was the comparison with the other 2 bombers and particularly with
the
B-52. Damn we're a bargain!


To make it an apples-and-apples comparison, of course, one needs to look
at the mission. There's no question the BUFF is a bargain for ARC LIGHT
(not LINEBACKER II) or the equivalent raids against Iraqis in 1991. In
both cases, however, there was either no air defense, or it had been
suppressed.

When one starts factoring in the SEAD, CAP, EW, etc., aircraft that
might be required to fight through a thick modern defense, the
individual aircraft flight hour cost isn't the only metric.

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Leslie Swartz wrote:

But again- you have to know "what goes in to" CPFH and how it is
calculated-
and then it isn't so shocking anymore.

Well, I assume what goes in to B-2 flying hour cost also goes in to B-1
and
B-52 flying hour cost. It wasn't the total dollar figure per hour that
shocked
me, it was the comparison with the other 2 bombers and particularly with
the
B-52. Damn we're a bargain!


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Update me. The figure that kept getting beat into my head, back in my RBS
days and every time we missed an aircraft, was eight thousand dollars an
hour. Now don't ask how the figure was determined. It just the figure
which was preached over and over. So what is the current figure?

David

David wrote:

Update me. The figure that kept getting beat into my head, back in my RBS
days and every time we missed an aircraft, was eight thousand dollars an
hour.

Hmm, I'll have to find the data because I thought BUFFs were the only bomber in
single digit thousands of dollars/hour???


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"