SSA Competition Rules Committee Meeting Minutes Now Available

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 12:03:34 PM UTC-7, Andy Blackburn wrote:
Updated link to the meeting minutes.

https://www.ssa.org/files/member/201...2012-07-18.pdf

9B

Andy(9B), is the below whats planned or a typo?

• AT turn configuration; RC to reduce the AT radius to ½ mile.
o X to incorporate the change

Is not the current FAI AT turn diameter 1 km(radius .5 km)? If so, should the RC not reduce the radius to .31 mile?

Also, please do clarify, all the RC members not living in Palo Alto got their on their bucks and they also covered all their expenses?

Kudos to all.

Best. #711.

Tom,

Not a typo.

We picked a round-ish number. Also, some expressed a concern over going smaller right away, so the intermediate step is to go 0.50 miles instead of 0.3107 miles so pilots can get a little more used to the different traffic patterns when converging on a smaller target. Pilots will need to develop slightly different tyrnpoint habits. Best not to learn the hard way if we can avoid it.

Obviously there’s a bigger question about how to handle the pretty clear US pilot preference for miles, feet and knots and whether you round some of the metric numbers to some number of decimal places in English units or mandate that everyone fly in a mixed feet/kilometers, knots/kph environment. No final decision on that.

Andy Blackburn

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 4:05:07 PM UTC-7, Andy Blackburn wrote:
Tom,

Not a typo.

We picked a round-ish number. Also, some expressed a concern over going smaller right away, so the intermediate step is to go 0.50 miles instead of 0.3107 miles so pilots can get a little more used to the different traffic patterns when converging on a smaller target. Pilots will need to develop slightly different tyrnpoint habits. Best not to learn the hard way if we can avoid it.

Obviously there’s a bigger question about how to handle the pretty clear US pilot preference for miles, feet and knots and whether you round some of the metric numbers to some number of decimal places in English units or mandate that everyone fly in a mixed feet/kilometers, knots/kph environment. No final decision on that.

Andy Blackburn

Well, the poll results wanted a FAI AT TP, not a USA RC adjusted TP. But thank you for at least answering my question and the RC's reasoning.

Last question.
Now, will you score to center of TP for a AT with just one fix inside of circle as they do world wide using the FAI rules or are you going to score the fix inside the AT TP which gives you greatest distance flown? I might have missed that on how it will be scored.

Again Andy, thank you. When you get your new toy flying get us some pictures!

Best. #711.

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 3:41:54 PM UTC-8, Tom Kelley #711 wrote:
On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 4:05:07 PM UTC-7, Andy Blackburn wrote:
Tom,

Not a typo.

We picked a round-ish number. Also, some expressed a concern over going smaller right away, so the intermediate step is to go 0.50 miles instead of 0.3107 miles so pilots can get a little more used to the different traffic patterns when converging on a smaller target. Pilots will need to develop slightly different tyrnpoint habits. Best not to learn the hard way if we can avoid it.

Obviously there’s a bigger question about how to handle the pretty clear US pilot preference for miles, feet and knots and whether you round some of the metric numbers to some number of decimal places in English units or mandate that everyone fly in a mixed feet/kilometers, knots/kph environment. No final decision on that.

Andy Blackburn

Well, the poll results wanted a FAI AT TP, not a USA RC adjusted TP. But thank you for at least answering my question and the RC's reasoning.

Last question.
Now, will you score to center of TP for a AT with just one fix inside of circle as they do world wide using the FAI rules or are you going to score the fix inside the AT TP which gives you greatest distance flown? I might have missed that on how it will be scored.

Again Andy, thank you. When you get your new toy flying get us some pictures!

Best. #711.

We're taking this one step at a time Tom. We realize people will have lots of questions and there will be lots of different views expressed along the way. We certainly want to hear it, but we don't want to "knee jerk" answers until we work through how things actually will work in practice - from contest registration to transmission of results to all the systems that use that information.Â*

Next big step in the process is posting of the proposed rules for 2019.

For the Rules Committee
Andy Blackburn

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:04:16 PM UTC-5, Andy Blackburn wrote:
On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 3:41:54 PM UTC-8, Tom Kelley #711 wrote:
On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 4:05:07 PM UTC-7, Andy Blackburn wrote:
Tom,

Not a typo.

We picked a round-ish number. Also, some expressed a concern over going smaller right away, so the intermediate step is to go 0.50 miles instead of 0.3107 miles so pilots can get a little more used to the different traffic patterns when converging on a smaller target. Pilots will need to develop slightly different tyrnpoint habits. Best not to learn the hard way if we can avoid it.

Obviously there’s a bigger question about how to handle the pretty clear US pilot preference for miles, feet and knots and whether you round some of the metric numbers to some number of decimal places in English units or mandate that everyone fly in a mixed feet/kilometers, knots/kph environment. No final decision on that.

Andy Blackburn

Well, the poll results wanted a FAI AT TP, not a USA RC adjusted TP. But thank you for at least answering my question and the RC's reasoning.

Last question.
Now, will you score to center of TP for a AT with just one fix inside of circle as they do world wide using the FAI rules or are you going to score the fix inside the AT TP which gives you greatest distance flown? I might have missed that on how it will be scored.

Again Andy, thank you. When you get your new toy flying get us some pictures!

Best. #711.

We're taking this one step at a time Tom. We realize people will have lots of questions and there will be lots of different views expressed along the way. We certainly want to hear it, but we don't want to "knee jerk" answers until we work through how things actually will work in practice - from contest registration to transmission of results to all the systems that use that information.Â*

Next big step in the process is posting of the proposed rules for 2019.

For the Rules Committee
Andy Blackburn

A suggestion I wish you would consider... throw the pro-FAI guys a bone. Make our AT task (for 2019) an FAI style AT task. Line start, no altitude limits, 500m radius tag & go turns (fixed scored distance). Score it according to US speed/distance/completion ratio rules so it doesn't get over weighted relative to other tasks in same contest.


best,
Evan Ludeman / T8

At least get rid of the criss cross crash insanity.

I hope the "pro-FAI guys" realize that the adoption of the FAI rules will necessitate the elimination of the "Airfield Bonus".

I'm looking forward to the old George Moffat philosophy where a death dive to a landout in the boonies to pick up a few points is preferable to a landing at a safe airfield below.

Oh, and no more "staring out the cylinder top" nonsense either.

Guy Byars