Anyone test fly both the JS3 and the Ventus 3?

You can't really compare the V3 Sport cockpit with the V2a cockpit, they are completely different. Besides being a different fuselage altogether than the 2a, the pilot seating position has also been adjusted in the V3 Sport.

The pilot is rotated downward with butt further forward such that the shoulders are now positioned further back and at the widest part of the cockpit. The rudder pedals also have more adjustment allowing for a larger range of pilot heights.

It is still not a large cockpit like a 27, but probably similar to the LS8 and certainly larger than the old "a" cockpit.

Then, there is still the option of the larger V3 Performance cockpit with the forward hinged canopy and larger instrument panel.

Dave,
I was going based on what the SH sales agent has told me (that the Sport cockpit is similar to 2A). Unfortunately, as of now, they are not planning on offering FES with Performance cockpit. That is why I have decided I REALLY need to sit in a V3. I'm trying to find one in the Western half of the US so I can fly out for a day and sit in it for 10 minutes. If anyone has one, please let me know....

I visited the S-H factory in October and sat in and flew the V3 sport and spent a lot of time talking to Tilo and the engineers about the V3 and while the fuselage is similar in size to the 2a, it is completely different. I agree, you absolutely need to sit in one and see how it fits YOU.

email me dave "at" foxonecorp "dot" com and I'll see if I can direct you to a V3 owner in the west.

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 8:41:28 PM UTC-6, Richard DalCanto wrote:
Dave,
I was going based on what the SH sales agent has told me (that the Sport cockpit is similar to 2A). Unfortunately, as of now, they are not planning on offering FES with Performance cockpit. That is why I have decided I REALLY need to sit in a V3. I'm trying to find one in the Western half of the US so I can fly out for a day and sit in it for 10 minutes. If anyone has one, please let me know....

I did try on the V3 Sport FES of Jim Frantz and at 6'2" I could not get the rudder pedals far enough forward to have my legs extended. It was most uncomfortable sitting in it for 5 minutes so that rules out a 5 hour flight for sure! Seems to FES motor takes up space in the nose that restricts the forward travel of the rudder pedals. Have not tried on a V3 Sport non FES.

Next to try is a JS3. Hopefully designed for tall pilots.

Tony
LS8
Fits very well

I am 6.2' and 210lbs. I fit well into the JS3 (well enough for 8hr flights without fatigue), even better in the LS8 and not at all in the V3 with the small fuselage.
The myth about the JS3 being too heavy to climb, is just that, and if it comes to the run, I would rather be in a JS3 if I wanted to get home first

At 09:19 19 December 2018, wrote:
I am 6.2' and 210lbs. I fit well into the JS3 (well enough for 8hr
flights
without fatigue), even better in the LS8 and not at all in the V3 with
the
small fuselage.
The myth about the JS3 being too heavy to climb, is just that, and if it
comes to the run, I would rather be in a JS3 if I wanted to get home
first


FAI should mandate a minimum cockpit size to allow for the larger pilot
-smaller pilots are getting a slight performance advantage in these
smaller cockpit planes i.e Discus 2a vs the b. If it can't fit an Oscar
then
it should be banned from comps!

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 10:30:18 AM UTC-8, Paul T wrote:

FAI should mandate a minimum cockpit size to allow for the larger pilot
-smaller pilots are getting a slight performance advantage in these
smaller cockpit planes i.e Discus 2a vs the b. If it can't fit an Oscar
then
it should be banned from comps!

My thoughts exactly! Being tall is punishment enough when flying economy class.

Branko XYU

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 8:30:18 PM UTC+2, Paul T wrote:
At 09:19 19 December 2018, wrote:
I am 6.2' and 210lbs. I fit well into the JS3 (well enough for 8hr
flights
without fatigue), even better in the LS8 and not at all in the V3 with
the
small fuselage.
The myth about the JS3 being too heavy to climb, is just that, and if it
comes to the run, I would rather be in a JS3 if I wanted to get home
first


FAI should mandate a minimum cockpit size to allow for the larger pilot
-smaller pilots are getting a slight performance advantage in these
smaller cockpit planes i.e Discus 2a vs the b. If it can't fit an Oscar
then
it should be banned from comps!

I think a more typical FAI solution would be to add new classes for tall pilots. 18m-tall and 18m-short.

I think a more typical FAI solution would be to add new classes for tall pilots. 18m-tall and 18m-short.

How about a "one design" contest? You know, where there is one of each model of glider (V3, JS3, ASH-31, Diana2 etc.) and they are all flown by Sebastian Kawa clones.

On Wednesday, 19 December 2018 20:30:18 UTC+2, Paul T wrote:
At 09:19 19 December 2018, ocgoudriaan wrote:
I am 6.2' and 210lbs. I fit well into the JS3 (well enough for 8hr
flights
without fatigue), even better in the LS8 and not at all in the V3 with
the
small fuselage.
The myth about the JS3 being too heavy to climb, is just that, and if it
comes to the run, I would rather be in a JS3 if I wanted to get home
first


FAI should mandate a minimum cockpit size to allow for the larger pilot
-smaller pilots are getting a slight performance advantage in these
smaller cockpit planes i.e Discus 2a vs the b. If it can't fit an Oscar
then
it should be banned from comps!

With Schempp A-fuselage you only get advantage over their B/C-fuselage, not over JS3/AS. Their fuselages are 2010's design that are aerodynamically on different level with attention to wing/fuselage-intersection etc.

I talked last summer with one Schleicher pilot with this Schempp fuselage dilemma. Like dozens of others, he has no chance fitting into tiny Ventus3 fuselage, and for him it would be unthinkable to shell out 200k eur to new glider and get second best (Ventus3 with bigger Nimbus4 cockpit). So Schleicher it is.