Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John Kerry?

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ...

snip of stuff I had already posted about, correcting Mr. McNicoll's
wrong attribution


Are you thinking it only is valid if
he did so during his congressional testimony? If that is the case, then by
the same logic we cannot accept anything he says when not under oath?

No. I was engaging in primary research. And when I could not find it
in the cited work, I asked him for clarification.

As you will note, I posted a correct cite, with complete trancript to
his present day thoughts and authortative cite, a full half a day
before you posted this message
).

Chris Manteuffel

"Chris Manteuffel" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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snip of stuff I had already posted about, correcting Mr. McNicoll's
wrong attribution


How do you know Mr. McNicoll's attribution is wrong?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net...

How do you know Mr. McNicoll's attribution is wrong?

Because I went back to the primary sources and read them and the quote
was not there. This was a transcript of the testimony provided by an
Anti-Kerry group that had an entire article bashing Kerry for what he
had said, and said article did not mention any such quote either, and
the format and font match GPO documents from that time period
precisely. I posted links to both, should you care to examine them.

And then I did find the quote on a Meet The Press from a few days
before his Senate testimony. And Kerry agreeing that he had said the
quote on Meet the Press back in 1971. Again, I have presented my
evidence, posted links to both the original and a transcript of the
recent Meet the Press, which you have not addressed.

Would you prefer if I said "The Boston Globe's attribution is wrong"?
Because, from everything that I can tell, it is. Like Mr. Brooks, I
have read the transcript as provided by the GPO. The quote you
reference isn't there. He did say it on Meet the Press. This an
incorrect cite, and nothing more. Let's stop talking about this.

Chris Manteuffel

"Chris Manteuffel" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net...

How do you know Mr. McNicoll's attribution is wrong?

Because I went back to the primary sources and read them and the quote
was not there. This was a transcript of the testimony provided by an
Anti-Kerry group that had an entire article bashing Kerry for what he
had said, and said article did not mention any such quote either, and
the format and font match GPO documents from that time period
precisely. I posted links to both, should you care to examine them.

And then I did find the quote on a Meet The Press from a few days
before his Senate testimony. And Kerry agreeing that he had said the
quote on Meet the Press back in 1971. Again, I have presented my
evidence, posted links to both the original and a transcript of the
recent Meet the Press, which you have not addressed.

Would you prefer if I said "The Boston Globe's attribution is wrong"?
Because, from everything that I can tell, it is. Like Mr. Brooks, I
have read the transcript as provided by the GPO. The quote you
reference isn't there. He did say it on Meet the Press. This an
incorrect cite, and nothing more. Let's stop talking about this.


Fine with me. But I do find it odd that anyone that strives for accuracy,
as your and Brooks' research indicates you both do, would take offense at
someone else's desire for accuracy.

"Chris Manteuffel" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...

snip of stuff I had already posted about, correcting Mr. McNicoll's
wrong attribution


Are you thinking it only is valid if
he did so during his congressional testimony? If that is the case, then
by
the same logic we cannot accept anything he says when not under oath?

No. I was engaging in primary research. And when I could not find it
in the cited work, I asked him for clarification.

Oddly enough, I just did a quick Google and got the answer in about three
minutes--and BTW, I have yet to see the post where you responded (maybe my
newsserver did not catch it, or it got deleted by me along with a slew of
other posts by accident).


As you will note, I posted a correct cite, with complete trancript to
his present day thoughts and authortative cite, a full half a day
before you posted this message
).

Great, then you agree Kerry has indeed made these claims.

Brooks


Chris Manteuffel

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ...

Oddly enough, I just did a quick Google and got the answer in about three
minutes

Indeed, once I realized that the cite was incorrect, getting a correct
cite was trivial. However, I tend to trust cites provided by other
people, and so I specifically looked for the senate testimony, and
after I read it wanted further clarification.

--and BTW, I have yet to see the post where you responded (maybe my
newsserver did not catch it, or it got deleted by me along with a slew of
other posts by accident).

I have provided the message-id of that post that I made, which should
allow you to find it on your server. If that doesn't work for you,
here it the google reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...ing.google.com

Great, then you agree Kerry has indeed made these claims.

Yes. However, I am not the person who was in this argument before, and
he did not dispute the accuracy of this quote either. All I wanted was
a correct cite for a quote, and when I checked the reference material
the cite turned out to be wrong, so I wanted to get it correct. I am
not trying to get involved in a xposted flamewar at all. The only
issue I brought up was where the cite was. And now that I know that
the Boston Globe got the cite wrong, everything should be clear.

Chris Manteuffel