Mistral-C vs DG-100

On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:50:24 PM UTC+3, Mike N. wrote:

After getting my skills up to a safe level on the nose hook, I started training on the C.G. hook on the Astir and did not have much difficulty in that transition.



Training for nose hook and then transitionin to C.G. hook? You make it sound like stepping up from Cessna 150 to B-29. Most of us wouldn't notice any difference whatsoever no matter where you put the hook. This has to be most overblown issue on r.a.s, ever.

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 4:14:14 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:50:24 PM UTC+3, Mike N. wrote:

After getting my skills up to a safe level on the nose hook, I started training on the C.G. hook on the Astir and did not have much difficulty in that transition.



Training for nose hook and then transitionin to C.G. hook? You make it sound like stepping up from Cessna 150 to B-29. Most of us wouldn't notice any difference whatsoever no matter where you put the hook. This has to be most overblown issue on r.a.s, ever.

I beg to differ..with my DG300 the CG hook presents no problem. One of the clubs I did belong to years ago had a Janus A - hang on to your hat!
It all depends on the glider....

And one other thing;for the most part taking off with a CG hook poses no problem unless if one gets out of wheck say 10/15 degrees off center line as in a crosswind -things could quickly escalate leading to a ground loop, much more so than gliders equipped with a nose hook.
Just my 5 C worth on that....

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 11:02:22 AM UTC-4, 6PK wrote:
And one other thing;for the most part taking off with a CG hook poses no problem unless if one gets out of wheck say 10/15 degrees off center line as in a crosswind -things could quickly escalate leading to a ground loop, much more so than gliders equipped with a nose hook.
Just my 5 C worth on that....

The Pegase manual doesn't say where to set the trim for a CG launch but it does say if 20 degrees or more off towing axis release immediately. My Peg has only the CG and I'm still thinking about adding a forward release. That said, its never been a problem. You just have to pay attention. You go where you're pointing.

"Training for nose hook and then transitionin to C.G. hook? You make it sound like stepping up from Cessna 150 to B-29. Most of us wouldn't notice any difference whatsoever no matter where you put the hook. This has to be most overblown issue on r.a.s, ever."
Who cares what you think, troll? There is a difference in nose to C.G. hook tows.
As most anyone (but you apparently) knows, pitch and yaw sensitivity on initial roll out and tow are higher.
Plenty of documented incidents of C.G. hook tows with very high pitch ups on take off leading to pulling the tow plan tail up and potentially planing the prop.
Go back under your bridge and S.T.F.Up if your arrogant A$$ does not like a post. Others may find it useful.

Training for nose hook and then transitionin to C.G. hook? You make it sound like stepping up from Cessna 150 to B-29. Most of us wouldn't notice any difference whatsoever no matter where you put the hook. This has to be most overblown issue on r.a.s, ever.

Troll; There is a difference in nose to C.G. hook tows.
Pitch and yaw sensitivity on initial roll out and tow are higher.
Plenty of documented incidents of C.G. hook tows with very high pitch ups on take off leading to pulling the tow plan tail up and potentially planting the prop.
P.S. if your arrogant A$$ does not like a post shut up. Others may find it useful.

Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2019 19:22:16 UTC+2 schreef Mike N.:
Training for nose hook and then transitionin to C.G. hook? You make it sound like stepping up from Cessna 150 to B-29. Most of us wouldn't notice any difference whatsoever no matter where you put the hook. This has to be most overblown issue on r.a.s, ever.

Troll; There is a difference in nose to C.G. hook tows.
Pitch and yaw sensitivity on initial roll out and tow are higher.
Plenty of documented incidents of C.G. hook tows with very high pitch ups on take off leading to pulling the tow plan tail up and potentially planting the prop.
P.S. if your arrogant A$$ does not like a post shut up. Others may find it useful.

Maybe a bit off topic here, but what would be an average cost to adding a nose hook to a glider? Part + installation.

If you can't control a take off with a cg hook, you probably shouldn't be in a glider in the first place.

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 2:43:57 PM UTC-6, Tango Whisky wrote:
If you can't control a take off with a cg hook, you probably shouldn't be in a glider in the first place.

That's a pretty arrogant and insulting comment. Maybe not everybody has your incredible genetically engineered skills and your interplanetary sourced perfect glider, and doesn't get to fly in your exalted unicorn-populated airfield conditions.

And perhaps, some of us learned with nose hooks and are just now transitioning to CG hooks. Be grateful that your parents conceived you while performing CG related activity, although ineptly.

I have flown with nose, chin and CG hooks. In a crosswind with a partial load of water and a lazy wingrunner, the release option is at the forefront of my mind for the entire takeoff roll, especially with the CG hook.

I am glad that your amazing abilities are so amazing. I hope I never have to meet you, as I would probably have to shoot myself. But I wouldn't be the first casualty.

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 5:55:26 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 2:43:57 PM UTC-6, Tango Whisky wrote:
If you can't control a take off with a cg hook, you probably shouldn't be in a glider in the first place.

That's a pretty arrogant and insulting comment. Maybe not everybody has your incredible genetically engineered skills and your interplanetary sourced perfect glider, and doesn't get to fly in your exalted unicorn-populated airfield conditions.

And perhaps, some of us learned with nose hooks and are just now transitioning to CG hooks. Be grateful that your parents conceived you while performing CG related activity, although ineptly.

I have flown with nose, chin and CG hooks. In a crosswind with a partial load of water and a lazy wingrunner, the release option is at the forefront of my mind for the entire takeoff roll, especially with the CG hook.

I am glad that your amazing abilities are so amazing. I hope I never have to meet you, as I would probably have to shoot myself. But I wouldn't be the first casualty.

:-),