i think I flew into class c airspace accidentally withoutestablishing communication

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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Which is one of the systems I mentioned to start off with. But when I took
my PPL test ride ADF and GPS weren't options so I shortened it.


You said use of a VOR was in the PP requirements. It's not.




It was for me.

But had you read the thread (and I know you did) you would have
understood that I was countering the argument of a student pilot that
basically wrote that non-instrument pilots shouldn't be using any
electronic navigation system as primary navigation. But I'm also sure
you knew this as well and just like starting arguments.

On Jan 28, 2:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
One other simple nav trick is to be aware of how many degrees a
particular point of your airplane is form your eye position.

Another is that the tip of your thumb at arm's length subtends four
degrees. (Both portable and hard to lose.)

george wrote in
:

On Jan 29, 5:25 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote in
news:13prvb8h2m12219 @news.supernews.com:



Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

What if you are VFR over a cloud layer? There are lots of times
that GPS, VOR and even ADF are the primary navigation aids for
VFR pilots.

Well, there are other, more traditional, methods that are really
pretty essential if you're going to do that. 1 in 60 rule, for
instance. Determinging drift from aircraft ref points and
celestial bodies, that sort of stuff.

Bertie

Last time I checked celestial navigation wasn't in the PP
requirements and use of a VOR was.

I know, but going vfr on top is kinda heavy territory for someone
with a fresh ppl anyway.

How many know the 1/60 rule?

Me. But I'm old :-)



You probably also know what a four way range is and how to time oil drips
to see if it;s too thinck to start up!

Bertie

wrote in news:7ca97382-7571-4065-a244-9cb7dff15e22
@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

On Jan 28, 2:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
One other simple nav trick is to be aware of how many degrees a
particular point of your airplane is form your eye position.

Another is that the tip of your thumb at arm's length subtends four
degrees. (Both portable and hard to lose.)


You must have very fat thumbs!


Hand extended, thumb and pinky stretched to max, twenty degrees. Width
of fist, ten, and thumb about 2 to 2.5 . I haven't flown too many airplanes
you can get your arm striaght out in though!


Bertie

On Jan 28, 3:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote in news:7ca97382-7571-4065-a244-9cb7dff15e22
@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

On Jan 28, 2:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
One other simple nav trick is to be aware of how many degrees a
particular point of your airplane is form your eye position.

Another is that the tip of your thumb at arm's length subtends four
degrees. (Both portable and hard to lose.)

You must have very fat thumbs!

Hand extended, thumb and pinky stretched to max, twenty degrees. Width
of fist, ten, and thumb about 2 to 2.5 . I haven't flown too many airplanes
you can get your arm striaght out in though!

Sorry, I meant length, not width (distance from last joint to end).

wrote in
:

On Jan 28, 3:40*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote in
news:7ca97382-7571-4065-a244-9cb7dff15e22

@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

On Jan 28, 2:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
One other simple nav trick is to be aware of how many degrees a
particular point of your airplane is form your eye position.

Another is that the tip of your thumb at arm's length subtends four
degrees. (Both portable and hard to lose.)

You must have very fat thumbs!

Hand extended, thumb and pinky stretched to max, twenty degrees.
Width of fist, ten, and thumb about 2 to 2.5 . I haven't flown too
many airplane
s
you can get your arm striaght out in though!

Sorry, I meant length, not width (distance from last joint to end).


Ah, OK, that makes sense.
New one on me. Mine is pretty long though! I'm looking at about 7 degrees!
Really!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mine is pretty long though!

Sure it is.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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wrote:
I'm sorry if I gave anyone the impression that I was not concerned for
the safety of others. I am familiar with the area we were in, but I
made a serious mistake at night. I do appreciate all the options you
all have laid out for me. I will fill out the NASA form immediately.
And why on Earth would someone put my name in the thread? That just
seems uncalled for.


It WAS uncalled for, and could in fact actually be a clearly defined
detrimental act to flight safety.

If some pilot out here feels after reading that post that they can't
report these things in good faith, someone may actually be killed down the
line because of what that poster did.
I can't condemn that kind of response enough. When new pilots try and do
things right after making an in-flight error, the very least the community
can do is to back that pilot's behavior to the fullest.
I sincerely hope that you realize you have the backing of the vast
majority of pilots here.
Go ahead and file the report, forget what this single poster did, and
learn from the error.
I have no doubt whatsoever that a new pilot who, as you have done by
asking for advice on a matter like this, will gain from the experience and
be a better pilot in the future. By taking the action you have, you have
made flying safer for all of us, and I commend what you are doing.

Best of luck to you.
Dudley Henriques


Well said, and I concur.

Al G CFIAMI

Gig 601XL Builder wrote in news:13psik7avkt6p16
@news.supernews.com:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mine is pretty long though!

Sure it is.


Well, relatively.


Bertie

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote

You're such a dick Steven. Does the initial P stand for penis?

Not that I would disagree with what you said above, g but what if the
plane the pilot wants to take the test in does not have a VOR reciever in
it? Can that plane be used, or do you have to find a different plane to
take the test in?

I never had seen that question asked or answered around here before.
--
Jim in NC