Feds Want to Equipe Gliders With Transponders and Radios

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601Xl Builder" wrote in message
m...
I didn't imply that there was such a threat. This as most conversations
with Mr. McNicoll is an offshoot of the original conversation. Because he
made some comment that while not really wrong isn't how the real world
works.


What comment was that? What do you know of real world ATC?




See, you knee jerk answer so often that you don't even know what you are
responding too any more.

I've used the system as a pilot since 1979.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601Xl Builder" wrote in message
m...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601Xl Builder" wrote in message
m...
TSA is in DHS, DHS does not dictate ATC policy.
No the POTUS does and he probably listens to DHS more than DOT.

What ATC policies have been dictated by the POTUS? Why would the POTUS
rely on DHS for ATC policy over DOT? Would he rely on DOT over DHS on
security matters?
And policy promulgated by DOT, DHS, DOD, is dictated by the POTUS.

What ATC policies have been promulgated by DOT, DHS, or DOD?


All of them.



In most cases it is actually dictated by people he selects to handle those
departments but the final authority rests on the desk of the POTUS.


What ATC policies have been promulgated by the secretaries of DOT, DHS, or
DOD?


All of them.

One would thinks that an employee would know who one's ultimate boss was
as well as those below him.



As for your other two questions think overlap.


Why can't you just answer the questions?



OK, I'll bet dollars to donuts DHS had some input on this one.

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff.../N7210.672.pdf

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:

What comment was that? What do you know of real world ATC?


See, you knee jerk answer so often that you don't even know what you
are responding too any more.


I'll take that to mean you can't identify the comment.



I've used the system as a pilot since 1979.


I've used the system as a pilot since 1975. I've been an air traffic
controller since 1983, nine years at Chicago ARTCC and 15 years at Green Bay
ATCT. Whose experience do you think provides a better understanding of real
world ATC?

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:

What ATC policies have been promulgated by DOT, DHS, or DOD?


All of them.


Specify.



What ATC policies have been promulgated by the secretaries of DOT,
DHS, or DOD?


All of them.


Specify.



Why can't you just answer the questions?


OK, I'll bet dollars to donuts DHS had some input on this one.

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff.../N7210.672.pdf


Do you believe that alters how ATC services are provuded in some way?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
What ATC policies have been promulgated by DOT, DHS, or DOD?

All of them.


Specify.


What part of ALL of them don't you understand?



What ATC policies have been promulgated by the secretaries of DOT,
DHS, or DOD?

All of them.


Specify.


What part of ALL of them don't you understand?




Why can't you just answer the questions?

OK, I'll bet dollars to donuts DHS had some input on this one.

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff.../N7210.672.pdf


Do you believe that alters how ATC services are provuded in some way?



I have know idea how the upper management wanted to do something and
neither do you even though you are a air traffic controller.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
What comment was that? What do you know of real world ATC?

See, you knee jerk answer so often that you don't even know what you
are responding too any more.


I'll take that to mean you can't identify the comment.


You're right because I don't feel like going back and looking it up.



I've used the system as a pilot since 1979.


I've used the system as a pilot since 1975. I've been an air traffic
controller since 1983, nine years at Chicago ARTCC and 15 years at Green Bay
ATCT. Whose experience do you think provides a better understanding of real
world ATC?



I don't see anything in the resume above that shows top level government
decision making experience. So my opinion is pretty close to yours.

"Bob Noel" wrote

I doubt that the primary radars in the US will be decommissioned

Since before 1996, the FAA has been looking to get rid of primary radars.
9/11 was yet another excuse to try to get someone else to pay for the
maintenance
and upgrades for NAS radars.

Is there a way that all of the TV station doppler weather radars could be made
to see airplanes, at the same time as looking at the weather?

I know they operate on different wavelengths, but could addition
transmitter/receivers be installed and used to supplement FAA radars?

Seems a shame to have all of those weather radars around, that could be helping
out tracking, or supplementing tracking aircraft.

I know there are probably a dozen reasons for this to not work, but could anyone
give a shot explaining what they are?
--
Jim in NC

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:

What ATC policies have been promulgated by DOT, DHS, or DOD?


All of them.


Specify.


What part of ALL of them don't you understand?


ALL of them? The US government got into the ATC business in 1936. The DOT
was established in 1967, I do not understand how ATC policies were
promulgated by DOT between 1936 and 1967. The DHS was established in 2003,
I do not understand how ATC policies were promulgated by DHS between 1936
and 2003. The DOD was established in 1947, I do not understand how ATC
policies were promulgated by DOD between 1936 and 1947. Please explain
these things to me. Help me to understand.



What ATC policies have been promulgated by the secretaries of DOT,
DHS, or DOD?


All of them.


Specify.


What part of ALL of them don't you understand?


ALL of them? The US government got into the ATC business in 1936. The DOT
was established in 1967, I do not understand how ATC policies were
promulgated by Secretaries of Transportation between 1936 and 1967. The DHS
was established in 2003, I do not understand how ATC policies were
promulgated by Secretaries of Homeland Security between 1936 and 2003. The
DOD was established in 1947, I do not understand how ATC policies were
promulgated by Secretaries of Defense between 1936 and 1947. Please explain
these things to me. Help me to understand.



Why can't you just answer the questions?


OK, I'll bet dollars to donuts DHS had some input on this one.

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff.../N7210.672.pdf



Do you believe that alters how ATC services are provided in some way?


I have know idea how the upper management wanted to do something and
neither do you even though you are a air traffic controller.


That's not what I asked, I asked if you believe Notice JO 7210.672, the
document you cited, alters how ATC services are provided in some way. Do
you have "know idea" [sic] about what you believe? Do you believe an air
traffic controller would have no idea about how ATC services are provided?
Who do you believe directly provides ATC services?

Are you sure you've actually used the system as a pilot since 1979?

Are you related to Norm Melick?

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:

I'll take that to mean you can't identify the comment.


You're right because I don't feel like going back and looking it up.


It's because there's nothing to look up.



I've used the system as a pilot since 1975. I've been an air traffic
controller since 1983, nine years at Chicago ARTCC and 15 years at
Green Bay ATCT. Whose experience do you think provides a better
understanding of real world ATC?


I don't see anything in the resume above that shows top level
government decision making experience.


We're not talking about top level government decision making experience,
we're talking about real world ATC experience.



So my opinion is pretty close to yours.


It's not a matter of opinion.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
What ATC policies have been promulgated by DOT, DHS, or DOD?

All of them.

Specify.

What part of ALL of them don't you understand?


ALL of them? The US government got into the ATC business in 1936. The DOT
was established in 1967, I do not understand how ATC policies were
promulgated by DOT between 1936 and 1967. The DHS was established in 2003,
I do not understand how ATC policies were promulgated by DHS between 1936
and 2003. The DOD was established in 1947, I do not understand how ATC
policies were promulgated by DOD between 1936 and 1947. Please explain
these things to me. Help me to understand.


What ATC policies have been promulgated by the secretaries of DOT,
DHS, or DOD?

All of them.

Specify.

What part of ALL of them don't you understand?


ALL of them? The US government got into the ATC business in 1936. The DOT
was established in 1967, I do not understand how ATC policies were
promulgated by Secretaries of Transportation between 1936 and 1967. The DHS
was established in 2003, I do not understand how ATC policies were
promulgated by Secretaries of Homeland Security between 1936 and 2003. The
DOD was established in 1947, I do not understand how ATC policies were
promulgated by Secretaries of Defense between 1936 and 1947. Please explain
these things to me. Help me to understand.




Please feel free to insert the phrase "or its predecessors" where ever
you need that level of precision. But it all comes down to they were and
are promalgated by the POTUS or whomever he assigns to do it for him.


Why can't you just answer the questions?

OK, I'll bet dollars to donuts DHS had some input on this one.

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff.../N7210.672.pdf


Do you believe that alters how ATC services are provided in some way?

I have know idea how the upper management wanted to do something and
neither do you even though you are a air traffic controller.


That's not what I asked, I asked if you believe Notice JO 7210.672, the
document you cited, alters how ATC services are provided in some way. Do
you have "know idea" [sic] about what you believe? Do you believe an air
traffic controller would have no idea about how ATC services are provided?
Who do you believe directly provides ATC services?


I'm not talking about how the service is provided. I have never ever
questioned you on how an ATC service was provided and on several
occasions asked you a question about it even though I personally think
you are an ass and would very much rather Newps be around to answer from
a controllers perspective but he isn't around as much as you are.

What I am talking about is how regulations are made created at the
federal level. You seem to have a problem understanding how the US
government is set up though.

Do you think the FAA requested the TFRs around DC? No that plan came
from another department of government but it sure as hell effects ATC.

Are you sure you've actually used the system as a pilot since 1979?

Yep, I am quite sure. But if you will keep a list posted of when and
where you will be the guy on the other end of the radio I will do my
best to not ever enter your airspace.


Are you related to Norm Melick?



Nope never heard of him.


P.S.

I really wish spell checkers knew what I was thinking.