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Compass Correction Card
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:27:47 -0800 (PST), Andy
wrote: On Jan 22, 8:04*pm, "Morgans" wrote: wrote If compass is perfect, I've been told by my IA, no correction card is required. Find a fed that will buy that! Prolly' wouldn't. *Just put all zeros on a correction card. -- Jim in NC I think you are all missing the point. If no compass is required there cannot be a requirement for a correction card. Wouldn't be too sure about that. I believe a non-required instrument which is not functioning properly (which might well include an uncorrected compass) must be covered up or removed. A power club I once belonged to ran into that, being forced to remove a failed DG from a VFR-only airplane. rj |
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Compass Correction Card
jcarlyle wrote:
At least for my LS8-18, the feds can get you another way - a compass is on the Minimum Equipment List. So my glider is required to have a "magnetic direction indicator". No. That is not what the minimum equipment list means. Only a government agency could come up with something like this: A Minimum Equipment List (MEL) is an FAA approved list of instruments that may be *defective* and still have the aircraft to be considered airworthy. See section 6.p http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/13c094a06437c5fa862569d900744d86/$FILE/Chap1-2.pdf Tony V LS6-b "6N" |
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Compass Correction Card
On Jan 23, 11:02 pm, Tony V wrote:
jcarlyle wrote: At least for my LS8-18, the feds can get you another way - a compass is on the Minimum Equipment List. So my glider is required to have a "magnetic direction indicator". No. That is not what the minimum equipment list means. Only a government agency could come up with something like this: A Minimum Equipment List (MEL) is an FAA approved list of instruments that may be *defective* and still have the aircraft to be considered airworthy. See section 6.phttp://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular... Tony V LS6-b "6N" I see what you mean, Tony - that FAA definition is indeed perverted! Two questions for you: 1) A magnetic compass is on the LS8 MEL, which seems to indicate that you have to physically have a compass in the aircraft. Does AC 91-67 allow you put a placard over a blank hole saying "compass inoperative" and fly with no compass until the next condition inspection? 2) Under the "Additionally for Cloud Flying" paragraph of the LS8 MEL a turn and bank indicator is listed. Does AC 91-67 imply that I can placard a T&B "inoperative" in 1/8" high letters and go look at the interior of clouds (disregarding for the moment that it isn't legal to fly a glider in clouds in the US)? -John |
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Compass Correction Card
Only a government agency could come up with something like this: A Minimum Equipment List (MEL) is an FAA approved list of instruments that may be *defective* and still have the aircraft to be considered airworthy. See section 6.phttp://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular... Tony V LS6-b "6N" I see what you mean, Tony - that FAA definition is indeed perverted! Two questions for you: You'll have to ask an IA for those questions, unfortunately. 1) A magnetic compass is on the LS8 MEL, which seems to indicate that you have to physically have a compass in the aircraft. Does AC 91-67 allow you put a placard over a blank hole saying "compass inoperative" and fly with no compass until the next condition inspection? 2) Under the "Additionally for Cloud Flying" paragraph of the LS8 MEL a turn and bank indicator is listed. Does AC 91-67 imply that I can placard a T&B "inoperative" in 1/8" high letters and go look at the interior of clouds (disregarding for the moment that it isn't legal to fly a glider in clouds in the US)? It's really very unusual for a glider to even have an MEL. I'm not sure that the point (advantage) of one is. Tony |
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Tony V wrote:
Only a government agency could come up with something like this: A Minimum Equipment List (MEL) is an FAA approved list of instruments that may be *defective* and still have the aircraft to be considered airworthy. See section 6.phttp://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular... Tony V LS6-b "6N" I see what you mean, Tony - that FAA definition is indeed perverted! Two questions for you: You'll have to ask an IA for those questions, unfortunately. 1) A magnetic compass is on the LS8 MEL, which seems to indicate that you have to physically have a compass in the aircraft. Does AC 91-67 allow you put a placard over a blank hole saying "compass inoperative" and fly with no compass until the next condition inspection? 2) Under the "Additionally for Cloud Flying" paragraph of the LS8 MEL a turn and bank indicator is listed. Does AC 91-67 imply that I can placard a T&B "inoperative" in 1/8" high letters and go look at the interior of clouds (disregarding for the moment that it isn't legal to fly a glider in clouds in the US)? It's really very unusual for a glider to even have an MEL. I'm not sure that the point (advantage) of one is. Tony I wonder if the LS8 having a MEL isn't a result of translation. I'd bet that the Germans are using MEL in the normal sense (ie, you must have these things in order to fly, but can add more if you want) instead of the FAA sense (ie, you can fly without these things if some don't work - just label them inoperative). -John |
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Compass Correction Card
On Jan 24, 7:54*am, jcarlyle wrote:
I wonder if the LS8 having a MEL isn't a result of translation. I'd bet that the Germans are using MEL in the normal sense (ie, you must have these things in order to fly, but can add more if you want) I'd agree with that. My 28 manual refers to "minimum equipment" but this is not intended in the context of the very specific "Minimum Equipment List" which typically (at least in my experience) only applies to larger transport category aircraft. Andy |
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I wonder if the LS8 having a MEL isn't a result of translation. I'd
bet that the Germans are using MEL in the normal sense (ie, you must have these things in order to fly, but can add more if you want) instead of the FAA sense (ie, you can fly without these things if some don't work - just label them inoperative). The MEL for my ship doesn't quite agree between the flight manual and the TCDS. However the magnetic compass is listed in both. My LS1f flight manual MEL: airspeed indicator altimeter magnetic compass seat belt and shoulder harness cushion or parachute checklist load and performance placard flight manual additionally for cloud flying: turn and bank indicator -or- artificial horizon variometer MEL from the TCDS (G35EU): 1. non-cloud flying airspeed indicator altimeter magnetic compass 2. cloud flying turn and slip variometer 3. LBA approved flight manual |
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Compass Correction Card
On Jan 24, 7:42*am, jcarlyle wrote:
2) Under the "Additionally for Cloud Flying" paragraph of the LS8 MEL a turn and bank indicator is listed. Does AC 91-67 imply that I can placard a T&B "inoperative" in 1/8" high letters and go look at the interior of clouds (disregarding for the moment that it isn't legal to fly a glider in clouds in the US)? -John Actually, if the glider is properly equipped, and the pilot is qualified, it is totally legal to fly in clouds in the US - you just have to have an IFR clearance if it's in controlled airspace. Not common, but I know of at least one Nimbus 3 driver who does it down in Florida. Theoretically, there are some bits of uncontrolled airspace in the West where you could fly IMC (equipped and qualified, of course) without a clearance - but they are pretty hard to find! This has been discussed previously on RAS, I believe. Meanwhile, I have a nice pretty compass card in my cockpit, just for grins (I actually swung the compass one non-soarable day). Don't use it, though... Kirk 66 |
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I direct your attention to page 2-7 of the Dec 2001 LS8-18 Flight
Manual. In Section 2.10 Minimum Equipment List, it states "Magnetic Compass. Under the following paragraph Additonally for Cloud Flying it states "Compass". I doubt I'll receive an apology... You doubt correctly. Im my flight manual (the original German one), I read on page 2-11 (not 2-7) (ad hoc translated by me): Minimal equipment: airspeed indicator, altimeter, thermometer, radio. (But *no* compass.) Additional minimal equipment for cloud flying: turn indicator, compass, vario. So there's something fishy with your manual. And yes, no apologies. |
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... (disregarding for the moment that it isn't legal to
fly a glider in clouds in the US) It is perfecly legal even in the USA, provided you have the required qualifications. This has been discussed here many times. |
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