Recording your flight time

14CFR Part 1

Sec 1.1

Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own
power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest
after landing; or

Ok, so I'm at Dulles. I start up, release the brakes, and start the timer.
Start taxiing (it takes forever at Dulles), do my runup, am sixteenth behind a
row of jumbos, have to hold a while for IFR release, andforty minutes later the
tower tells me position and hold. (not too far off for some flights!).
Cleared for takeoff, I accelerate to flying speed, but something isn't right,
so I abort the takeoff and taxi back to the ramp and shut down.

It's been an hour and eighteen minutes. Do you log it as 1.3? Do you log it
if you actually managed to get three feet in the air for twelve seconds before
aborting the takeoff and landing again on the mile of runway remaining?

Jose

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"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:00:59 -0800, A Lieberman
wrote:

I could'nt find anything in the FARS for "when" to start counting, but I
am under the impression from my experiences, that anytime the prop is
turning is the time you count.

You didn't look at the beginning:

14CFR Part 1

Sec 1.1

Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own
power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest
after landing; or
(2) For a glider without self-launch capability, pilot time that
commences when the glider is towed for the purpose of flight and ends when
the glider comes to rest after landing.


For most people with a Hobbs, that could be an extra half hour, from master
switch "ON", to shutdown.

I wonder: does ANYONE does it that way?

Tom Sixkiller wrote:

For most people with a Hobbs, that could be an extra half hour, from master
switch "ON", to shutdown.

I wonder: does ANYONE does it that way?

I do. My Hobbs does not have an oil pressure switch, it starts counting
from Master On. A typical roundtrip breakfast flight will have .2 taxi
time to the runway.

"A Lieberman" wrote in message ...
Tom Sixkiller wrote:

At what point can one start recording _Flight Time_? Engine start? First
master switch?

I could'nt find anything in the FARS for "when" to start counting, but I
am under the impression from my experiences, that anytime the prop is
turning is the time you count.

Flight time is defined in part 1.

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
...
Tom Sixkiller wrote:

At what point can one start recording _Flight Time_? Engine start? First
master switch?

I could'nt find anything in the FARS for "when" to start counting, but I
am under the impression from my experiences, that anytime the prop is
turning is the time you count.


That's about what I've always used; from engine startup.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ...

At what point can one start recording _Flight Time_? Engine start? First
master switch?

Since we are talking pilot time (we have bounced back and forth here), the
rules say: elapsed time form the time the aircraft first moves under its
own power for the purpose of flight until the time it comes to rest at
its . Since my plane rears forward a little bit at engine
start, and I don't tend to run it for very long when I finally get fully
parked, the ENGINE RUNNING (hobbs) time is usually pretty danged
close to the definition.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

At what point can one start recording _Flight Time_? Engine start? First
master switch?

Since we are talking pilot time (we have bounced back and forth here), the
rules say: elapsed time form the time the aircraft first moves under its
own power for the purpose of flight until the time it comes to rest at
its . Since my plane rears forward a little bit at engine
start, and I don't tend to run it for very long when I finally get fully
parked, the ENGINE RUNNING (hobbs) time is usually pretty danged
close to the definition.

I remember, several years back, a lot of pilots would do their engine start,
and THEN do their ATIS, CD, Ground...

Too expensive to do it that way except for the corporate jocks, big iron...

I have always used either my watch (no hobbs) or if equipped .. the hobbs...
one should only apply the 1.3factor to straight tach time.

BT

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:7oiFb.618964$Fm2.558042@attbi_s04...
With built-in flight timers becoming the norm in virtually all new
avionics
(heck, even the new transponder I'm getting has one), just wondering if
folks are migrating away from using hobbs/tach time to record their flight
time?

And if you *are* using the flight timer, have you stopped using the old
archaic "1.3 hours" method of recording flight time? Anyone using actual
hours and minutes in their logbook instead?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article 7oiFb.618964$Fm2.558042@attbi_s04, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

With built-in flight timers becoming the norm in virtually all new
avionics
(heck, even the new transponder I'm getting has one), just wondering if
folks are migrating away from using hobbs/tach time to record their
flight
time?

And if you *are* using the flight timer, have you stopped using the old
archaic "1.3 hours" method of recording flight time? Anyone using actual
hours and minutes in their logbook instead?


I record engine start to engine stop (excluding the taxi time
rom the pump back to my hangar).

--
Bob Noel

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:7oiFb.618964$Fm2.558042@attbi_s04...
With built-in flight timers becoming the norm in virtually all new avionics
(heck, even the new transponder I'm getting has one), just wondering if
folks are migrating away from using hobbs/tach time to record their flight
time?

I can't think of any reason to stop using the hobbs. I don't have to
leave the avionics on after the flight to check the GPS time, the
hobbs is always right there as I'm closing the door. I also use my
hobbs to track the time I've spend on each tank (even though I have an
EDM fuel flow computer). The hobbs seems like a perfect, simple
device.