Part 135 question

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
I vaguely remember C-402s for sale in Trade-A-Plane with the 10 pax
configuration. Frankly, I don't know why they'd offer it like that.

Cessna offered 10 seats because the C-402 was the plane of choice in the
early days of commuter airlines.

The C-402B
that I flew would have struggled to climb with 6 out of its 7 seats
filled. The
C-402 is a sweet flying airplane but it's hardly a rocket when it comes to
lifting ability.

It's a money-making airplane. It drives like a Caddy.. as long as both
engines are running.

D.

It is a violation of the FAR to allow any passenger or pilot
not employed by the company and who has passed a checkride
to even touch the controls.
§ 135.115 Manipulation of controls.
No pilot in command may allow any person to manipulate the
flight controls of an aircraft during flight conducted under
this part, nor may any person manipulate the controls during
such flight unless that person is-

(a) A pilot employed by the certificate holder and qualified
in the aircraft; or

(b) An authorized safety representative of the Administrator
who has the permission of the pilot in command, is qualified
in the aircraft, and is checking flight operations.







"Dallas" wrote in message
...
|I realize this is a GA group but I thought some of the guys
with a
| commercial ticket might be able to answer this question.
|
| I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a
commuter flight
| from the Bahamas in a Cessna 402. He managed to get the
right seat and
| after chatting with the pilot, he was allowed to fly the
aircraft.
|
| Are there any regulations specifically precluding a pilot
from doing this
| or is it at the pilot's discretion?
|
|
| ---
| Dallas

"Dallas" wrote in message
...

I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a commuter flight
from the Bahamas....

Does the FAA have authority over a flight operating over international
waters?

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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"Dallas" wrote in message
...

I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a commuter flight
from the Bahamas....

Does the FAA have authority over a flight operating over international
waters?


They do if the plane has an N number. For that matter they have authority
over an N numbered plane over foreign soil.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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"Dallas" wrote in message
...

I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a commuter flight
from the Bahamas....
Does the FAA have authority over a flight operating over international
waters?


They do if the plane has an N number. For that matter they have authority
over an N numbered plane over foreign soil.


And if it's operating on an US operators certificate (135).

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
news:6Llbh.10350$IW2.5393@trndny03...
I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a commuter flight
from the Bahamas....

Does the FAA have authority over a flight operating over international
waters?

If the flight is operating under FAA regulations, yes. This would include
an FAA-certificated pilot, a US registered airplane, and an FAA-certified
Part 135 operation (all of which are likely to apply here).

Pete

If the destination is in the USA and it is USA registered.



"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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| "Dallas" wrote in
message
| ...
|
| I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a
commuter flight
| from the Bahamas....
|
| Does the FAA have authority over a flight operating over
international
| waters?
|
|

He also did not specify if he was carrying passengers. It may not have
acutally been a part 135 flight.

We used to do this a lot when transporting prisoners. When actually
transporting the prisoner we would often hire a Private pilot to ride
along as a Guard (required for our operation). The of course could not
fly while carrying the prisoners. However we often had dead head
flights where the Part 135 pilot would take off his Charter Pilot Hat
and put on his Flight Instructor Hat and give the student Dual
instruction on the deadhead portion of the flight. The PP got
inexpensive time in usually complex aircraft this way.

Brian




Dallas wrote:
I realize this is a GA group but I thought some of the guys with a
commercial ticket might be able to answer this question.

I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a commuter flight
from the Bahamas in a Cessna 402. He managed to get the right seat and
after chatting with the pilot, he was allowed to fly the aircraft.

Are there any regulations specifically precluding a pilot from doing this
or is it at the pilot's discretion?


---
Dallas

"Brian" wrote in message
ups.com...
He also did not specify if he was carrying passengers. It may not have
acutally been a part 135 flight.

We used to do this a lot when transporting prisoners. When actually
transporting the prisoner we would often hire a Private pilot to ride
along as a Guard (required for our operation). The of course could not
fly while carrying the prisoners. However we often had dead head
flights where the Part 135 pilot would take off his Charter Pilot Hat
and put on his Flight Instructor Hat and give the student Dual
instruction on the deadhead portion of the flight. The PP got
inexpensive time in usually complex aircraft this way.

Brian




Dallas wrote:
I realize this is a GA group but I thought some of the guys with a
commercial ticket might be able to answer this question.

I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a commuter flight
from the Bahamas in a Cessna 402. He managed to get the right seat and
after chatting with the pilot, he was allowed to fly the aircraft.

Are there any regulations specifically precluding a pilot from doing this
or is it at the pilot's discretion?


---
Dallas


Brian that would be completely legal and is pretty close to how I have 1
hour of Metroliner dual time in my log book but I think it is safe to infer
from the OP that this wasn't such a case.

On 29 Nov 2006 12:07:44 -0800, Brian wrote:

He also did not specify if he was carrying passengers. It may not have
acutally been a part 135 flight.


Well, I know he had his wife along so there's one passenger.

--
Dallas