FAA efficiency

I could pay for many movements without automation, (possibly a lifetime)
before the cost saving would be anywhere close to breaking even.

How 'bout this:

Give each aircraft owner three years' worth of that per-pilot money
the FAA is now spending to operate the national airspace, with the
requirement that we MUST use that money to add ADS-B and moving map
displays. That's $22K x 3 years, or $66,000.00.

I could put a very impressive glass cockpit in Atlas for $66K, and
I'll promise to never, ever use ATC again, except when entering Class
C or B airspace.

Do this to every aircraft in America, eliminate 75% of the ATC budget,
and in three years the FAA will be rolling in money.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
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www.AlexisParkInn.cmo
"Your Aviation Destination

In article . com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Give each aircraft owner three years' worth of that per-pilot money
the FAA is now spending to operate the national airspace, with the
requirement that we MUST use that money to add ADS-B and moving map
displays. That's $22K x 3 years, or $66,000.00.

First they need to fix ADS-B to prevent spoofing.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Automation in ATC could provide better service at less cost.

For whom?

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For whom?


Users.

Users.

Some users. Not other users.

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"Morgans" wrote in news:yXtzh.105$OH6.60
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Why? Automation in ATC could provide better service at less cost.
How does costs of installing thousands of dollars of technology in a GA
aircraft equate to less cost?

I could pay for many movements without automation, (possibly a lifetime)
before the cost saving would be anywhere close to breaking even.

The question becomes how much must it costs to put a datalink in the cockpit.
I think there are relatively inexpensive Mode-S upgrades available, and if
they were to be adopted by a large majority of the airplanes out there, I bet
the price would go down further and more competitors would show up.

The trick is that the FAA has to make it cost effective to get certified so
that there are competitors out there. But that's not likely to happen.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 03:05:23 GMT, Judah wrote:

"Morgans" wrote in news:yXtzh.105$OH6.60
:


"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Why? Automation in ATC could provide better service at less cost.
How does costs of installing thousands of dollars of technology in a GA
aircraft equate to less cost?

I could pay for many movements without automation, (possibly a lifetime)
before the cost saving would be anywhere close to breaking even.

The question becomes how much must it costs to put a datalink in the cockpit.
I think there are relatively inexpensive Mode-S upgrades available, and if
they were to be adopted by a large majority of the airplanes out there, I bet
the price would go down further and more competitors would show up.

The trick is that the FAA has to make it cost effective to get certified so
that there are competitors out there. But that's not likely to happen.

FAA certification's a pretty moth-eaten umbrella to huddle under when
you're sued. Is XM aware that people are using their service to pick
their way between T-storms? What's it going to cost when they make us
pick up the tab on their liability insurance?

Don

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:17:48 -0500
Bob Noel wrote:

In article . com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Give each aircraft owner three years' worth of that per-pilot money
the FAA is now spending to operate the national airspace, with the
requirement that we MUST use that money to add ADS-B and moving map
displays. That's $22K x 3 years, or $66,000.00.

First they need to fix ADS-B to prevent spoofing.

Why is fixing ADS-B to prevent spoofing a requirement? Present day
radio transmissions have no spoofing protection. ATC commonly replies
back with the wrong N number or aircraft type even when you tell
them the correct information. Nothing prevents you from making up some
identifier now. As for radar returns, mode C could be spoofed with
present equipment. I guess ATC may still get primary radar returns and
position reports in the present system, better than nothing.

The issue of spoofing isn't impossible to solve, considering public key
encryption is commonly used for signing and/or encrypting otherwise
insecure messages. I think the bigger issue would be a denial attack
against the system, but we get that with stuck mics and slow talkers
with the present system.

I think there is merit to having an infrastructure in place to
assure that messages from ATC are actually from ATC rather than a rogue
transmitter. A public key infrastructure to validate the digital
transmissions could make spoofing difficult. No security system is
perfect, though.

Doug

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Don Tuite wrote in
:

FAA certification's a pretty moth-eaten umbrella to huddle under when
you're sued. Is XM aware that people are using their service to pick
their way between T-storms? What's it going to cost when they make us
pick up the tab on their liability insurance?

Heck - Tort Reform would reduce the cost of EVERYTHING in aviation, as well
as everything in general in the US.

It's completely out of control... To bad most politicians are lawyers.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:46:06 GMT, Judah wrote:

Don Tuite wrote in
:

FAA certification's a pretty moth-eaten umbrella to huddle under when
you're sued. Is XM aware that people are using their service to pick
their way between T-storms? What's it going to cost when they make us
pick up the tab on their liability insurance?

Heck - Tort Reform would reduce the cost of EVERYTHING in aviation, as well
as everything in general in the US.

It's completely out of control... To bad most politicians are lawyers.

We tend to throw everything onto the courts, though. We used to have
patent examiners; now you can patent any kind of obvious idea or prior
art and it's left up to the courts to settle it.

But this way, we don't have bureaucrats stifling innovation.

Don