Help search for Steve Fossett

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...912/NEWS18/709
12017/1038/MVN

Interesting item...14 minutes old. Wonder if it is
a hoax or actual observation? Flying into rising terrain
in a box canyon at high altitude, one might attempt
a manuever as described to do the 180?

Stewart,

I wonder if that witness actually saw my plane. I flew through Sunrise Pass
at about 2:30 PM on the day Steve went missing. My Husky has blue body and
wing tips, white wings. Would be easy to mistake for the plane Steve was
flying.

bumper

"Stewart Kissel" wrote in
message ...
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...912/NEWS18/709
12017/1038/MVN

Interesting item...14 minutes old. Wonder if it is
a hoax or actual observation? Flying into rising terrain
in a box canyon at high altitude, one might attempt
a manuever as described to do the 180?

bumper schreef:
Stewart,

I wonder if that witness actually saw my plane. I flew through Sunrise Pass
at about 2:30 PM on the day Steve went missing. My Husky has blue body and
wing tips, white wings. Would be easy to mistake for the plane Steve was
flying.

bumper


Did you report this to the search-team?

The number (910) 396-0704 and when the tone comes, dial 4719.

Dan G wrote:
http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?g...21T60&kw=Flash

These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!


Gee, I wonder why we haven't seen stuff like this when others went missing?

Tony
(yes, I am going through the images)

Gee, I wonder why we haven't seen stuff like this when others went missing?

The idea came from this search-and-rescue mission
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/...?currentPage=1

Tony Verhulst wrote:
Dan G wrote:
http://www.mturk.com/mturk/preview?g...21T60&kw=Flash

These are 0.4 m resolution pictures taken by satellite (GeoEye) since
Fossett went missing. You're shown a picture and either you say "no,
nothing of interest" or "yes, this should be checked out". There's
over 100,000 images to sift through, so if you can help, please do!

Gee, I wonder why we haven't seen stuff like this when others went missing?

Obviously these companies don't get nearly as much free publicity if they
did it for Bob Unknown.

However, now that it's been done, I imagine it might become more common.
The major cost is actually getting the satellite pictures, so if it's
possible to get them while the satellite is otherwise idle and without
burning its fuel then the total cost of such an operation might become low
enough that it could be used routinely even for us little people.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

On Sep 10, 3:19 pm, Michael Ash wrote:
However, now that it's been done, I imagine it might become more common.
The major cost is actually getting the satellite pictures, so if it's
possible to get them while the satellite is otherwise idle and without
burning its fuel then the total cost of such an operation might become low
enough that it could be used routinely even for us little people.

TBH I don't know how effective this method of "searching" will prove.
As is linked to above, the prototype of this method was the search for
a Microsoft employee who sailed out of San Francisco and was never
seen again (I worked on that one too). Although a number of yachts of
the right size were sighted in the images, they proved not to be the
Tenacious and Gray was never found. (Gray and the Tenacious are still
out there, somewhere, probably on the seabed by now). You can read the
blog that was used to co-ordinate the satellite search:

http://www.openphi.net/tenacious/

The Fossett search is only the second attempt to use the technique and
is looking for a very different target on a very different surface, so
who knows if it will prove worthwhile. While the aircraft is easily
big enough to be visible to the satellite, indeed an airborne search
plane has already been spotted, it's not a guaranteed success. Maybe
the Citabria burned up on impact, or is obscured from the vertical
somehow. Maybe it's not there at all.

What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
best hope for timely rescue.


Dan

Never mind, it's now working - not sure what I did no make it so.

Bill Daniels

"Dan G" wrote in message
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On Sep 10, 3:19 pm, Michael Ash wrote:
However, now that it's been done, I imagine it might become more common.
The major cost is actually getting the satellite pictures, so if it's
possible to get them while the satellite is otherwise idle and without
burning its fuel then the total cost of such an operation might become
low
enough that it could be used routinely even for us little people.

TBH I don't know how effective this method of "searching" will prove.
As is linked to above, the prototype of this method was the search for
a Microsoft employee who sailed out of San Francisco and was never
seen again (I worked on that one too). Although a number of yachts of
the right size were sighted in the images, they proved not to be the
Tenacious and Gray was never found. (Gray and the Tenacious are still
out there, somewhere, probably on the seabed by now). You can read the
blog that was used to co-ordinate the satellite search:

http://www.openphi.net/tenacious/

The Fossett search is only the second attempt to use the technique and
is looking for a very different target on a very different surface, so
who knows if it will prove worthwhile. While the aircraft is easily
big enough to be visible to the satellite, indeed an airborne search
plane has already been spotted, it's not a guaranteed success. Maybe
the Citabria burned up on impact, or is obscured from the vertical
somehow. Maybe it's not there at all.

What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
best hope for timely rescue.


Dan

Dan G wrote:
What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
best hope for timely rescue.

Perhaps, but I still found this headline and article rather sad:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../MNF0S2BJT.DTL

The search for Fossett is something more than a "conventional" SAR
operation...

Marc

On Sep 10, 10:54 am, Marc Ramsey wrote:
Dan G wrote:
What is true, without doubt, is that a full conventional SAR operation
is launched for *anyone* who goes missing in an aircraft or boat,
whether rich or poor, or famous or not, and that's still a person's
best hope for timely rescue.

Perhaps, but I still found this headline and article rather sad:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...7/09/10/MNF0S2...

The search for Fossett is something more than a "conventional" SAR
operation...

But one must also consider how many times we may have seen wreckage
from the air while soaring and thought it was something that had been
investigated, but never cleaned up.

If we had a database of all the coordinates, then it would be easy to
look it up at the end of flight to be sure that it's not something
new.

-Tom