Bush's Trip: 747 or C-17 Which would you Choose?

If I were the pres and I was making the decision, for obvious reasons,
I wouldn't want to go anywhere without AF-1 being within a Limo rides
distance!!!, Including stateside.

Pavement???
Most international airports (baghdad included) have cement parking
ramps just to avoid that sinking. Your right about parking on a 140
degree asphalt runway though.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 03:23:00 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

"Leadfoot" wrote in
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Your in charge of flying the president to Baghdad

Your choices are a 747 or a C-17. The G5 is out since you have
to make a refueling stop which could blow security.

Wouldn't it also sink into the pavement on many runways
when parked for more than a few hours?


Regards...

"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message
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"Leadfoot" wrote in
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Your in charge of flying the president to Baghdad

Your choices are a 747 or a C-17. The G5 is out since you have
to make a refueling stop which could blow security.

Wouldn't it also sink into the pavement on many runways
when parked for more than a few hours?

G5 is Gulfstream 5. occasionally used by the president.





Regards...

"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"Leadfoot" wrote in message
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The C-17 will require several aerial refuelings. AF1 may or may not need
to
refuel in the air. The more tanker crews the more people who know the
president is going somewhere.

How would the tanker crews "know" who was on the C-17? There's no sign on
the tail, is there?

Good point, I was a little tired when I wrote it.

"Gene Storey" wrote in message
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747.

AF1 has IR jammers on the engines. The C-17 only has flares,
and they wouldn't be good for stealth arrival.

R U sure there aren't a couple of C-17's equipped with IR Jammers? Seems
like it would be prudent to have a couple or so for spec ops.




"Leadfoot" wrote in message
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Your in charge of flying the president to Baghdad

Your choices are a 747 or a C-17. The G5 is out since you have to make
a
refueling stop which could blow security. Clinton flew to Kosovo in a
C-17

Which do you choose and why.

Points to ponder.

The C-17 will require several aerial refuelings. AF1 may or may not need
to
refuel in the air. The more tanker crews the more people who know the
president is going somewhere.

AF1 is a giant Billboard on the ground saying GWB is here. The C-17 is
much
more discreet

"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Leadfoot" wrote in message
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Your in charge of flying the president to Baghdad

Your choices are a 747 or a C-17. The G5 is out since you have to make
a
refueling stop which could blow security. Clinton flew to Kosovo in a
C-17

How about throwing the E-4B National Airborne Operations Center aircraft
into the mix?

Don't they have an identical paint job as AF1?


Tex

Since a British pilot spotted AF1, you have a good point about it
being a billboard. It's not a slam dunk decision, but AF1 is more
capable as a flying office than some generic C-17. I suspect that may
have been part of the decision process.

"Leadfoot" wrote in message news:ZBTxb.15791$o9.3280@fed1read07...
Your in charge of flying the president to Baghdad

Your choices are a 747 or a C-17. The G5 is out since you have to make a
refueling stop which could blow security. Clinton flew to Kosovo in a C-17

Which do you choose and why.

Points to ponder.

The C-17 will require several aerial refuelings. AF1 may or may not need to
refuel in the air. The more tanker crews the more people who know the
president is going somewhere.

AF1 is a giant Billboard on the ground saying GWB is here. The C-17 is much
more discreet

"Leadfoot" wrote in message
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"Gene Storey" wrote in message
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747.

AF1 has IR jammers on the engines. The C-17 only has flares,
and they wouldn't be good for stealth arrival.

R U sure there aren't a couple of C-17's equipped with IR Jammers? Seems
like it would be prudent to have a couple or so for spec ops.

Not sure how many have it, but they are equipping them with LAIRCM (Large
Aircraft IR Countermeasures) which is supposed to be a more powerful (laser
based possibly) version of Nemisis. I would think that any C-17 heading into
Baghdad would be equipped with such a system. I'm not sure the USAF is keen
on throwing a $100 Million plane and it's crew away.

"miso" wrote in message
om...
Since a British pilot spotted AF1, you have a good point about it
being a billboard. It's not a slam dunk decision, but AF1 is more
capable as a flying office than some generic C-17. I suspect that may
have been part of the decision process.

I'm betting it also has a better suite of countermeasures. The C-17 can take
off at a rather steep angle though.

"Leadfoot" wrote in message
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"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Leadfoot" wrote in message
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Your in charge of flying the president to Baghdad

Your choices are a 747 or a C-17. The G5 is out since you have to
make
a
refueling stop which could blow security. Clinton flew to Kosovo in a
C-17

How about throwing the E-4B National Airborne Operations Center aircraft
into the mix?

Don't they have an identical paint job as AF1?

I don't think so. The blue and white paint scheme with "United States of
America" on the two VC-25s is pretty distinctive. I haven't seen the E-4
for many years however.

Tex

It's not exactly the same, but unless you see both aircraft
side-by-side, you would swear they were the same.

KenG

Tex Houston wrote:
"Leadfoot" wrote in message
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"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Leadfoot" wrote in message
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Your in charge of flying the president to Baghdad

Your choices are a 747 or a C-17. The G5 is out since you have to

make

a

refueling stop which could blow security. Clinton flew to Kosovo in a

C-17

How about throwing the E-4B National Airborne Operations Center aircraft
into the mix?

Don't they have an identical paint job as AF1?


I don't think so. The blue and white paint scheme with "United States of
America" on the two VC-25s is pretty distinctive. I haven't seen the E-4
for many years however.

Tex