Steve Fossett

Shirl:
That's all speculation. Curious...as a guy, when you fly, do you keep
your identification cards and money in your wallet, in your pocket? or
in a separate bag somewhere else in the airplane?

Morgans:
Either way. It can be uncomfortable to sit on a fat wallet for a period of
time, especially in a cramped cockpit, and the harder the seat cushions, the
more uncomfortable it is.

Decath isn't cramped. Well, I guess depends what you're comparing it to.
It just surprised me that he would (a) take THAT much money with him if
he were just going up for an hour or two (unless he always carried
around that kind of money), and (b) that he wouldn't have it on his
person. I mean...why have it with you if you have to pack it in a bag.
Wouldn't you just leave it home? And most guys I know have their license
and SSA card in their wallet, in their pocket. No conclusions can be
drawn from all that, I know. Seems weird to me, but maybe that's how he
always did things.

"Shirl" wrote

Decath isn't cramped. Well, I guess depends what you're comparing it to.
It just surprised me that he would (a) take THAT much money with him if
he were just going up for an hour or two (unless he always carried
around that kind of money), and (b) that he wouldn't have it on his
person. I mean...why have it with you if you have to pack it in a bag.
Wouldn't you just leave it home? And most guys I know have their license
and SSA card in their wallet, in their pocket. No conclusions can be
drawn from all that, I know. Seems weird to me, but maybe that's how he
always did things.

I suppose he would have a very different wallet, than me. Lots more cash in
big bills, I would imagine. g

I use lots of plastic, but only a few credit cards. Primary credit card,
backup card, health care card, a couple different licenses, a few discount
cards, pictures of kids and grandkids, insurance card, triple A card,.....
you get the picture.

I look through it occasionally, to see what I could take out, and rarely
come up with anything. It is uncomfortable, sitting on it for any period of
time. Even in a car, if I'm going to be on it for more than 45 minutes, it
comes out, on the seat or in the glove box.
--
Jim in NC

Shirl:
| That's all speculation. Curious...as a guy, when you fly, do you keep
| your identification cards and money in your wallet, in your pocket? or
| in a separate bag somewhere else in the airplane?

Maxwell:
Cards and money in my wallet, in my pocket.

Yeah. That makes the most sense, but isn't consistent with what they
found. Can't imagine bringing that much $ but not having it in your
pocket.

"Shirl" wrote

Yeah. That makes the most sense, but isn't consistent with what they
found. Can't imagine bringing that much $ but not having it in your
pocket.

Money, and the amount that you and I would consider "that much $" would be
much different, in his eyes compared to us, I would think.
--
Jim in NC

Shirl:
Yeah. That makes the most sense, but isn't consistent with what they
found. Can't imagine bringing that much $ but not having it in your
pocket.

Morgans:
Money, and the amount that you and I would consider "that much $"
would be much different, in his eyes compared to us, I would think.

That's true. Good point. Still, would seem he'd have it ON him vs. just
somewhere else in the plane, but ... who knows.

2 credit cards, driving license, etc. and spending money in front
pocket... My sciatic nerves do not appreciate sitting on lumps...
I will usually have a bit more money in a bank envelope in my jacket
just in case I "need" something... Since I usually take my jacket off
in the plane it could be separated from me in a crash...
Ideas on how much walking around money is too much is relative...
Over the years I have seen guys who look like they sleep under a
bridge, pull out 10-15K in cash from their bib overalls to pay for a
tractor, or a gun. etc....
I have also seen guys who look like millionaires, Rolex, custom suit,
Mercedes, and not able to pay for a round of drinks...
It takes all kinds...

As far as him walking away - my guess is he did not (and it's a guess
only)... That engine was literally crushed from the pictures I saw -
which takes a lot of impact G force... He should have had fractured
ankles, broken wrists, in addition to lacerated liver, torn aorta,
ruptured spleen etc. from the belts, based on that picture.. Having
been a deputy coronor in my nefarious past I have pronounced a lot of
folks at their crash site... Normally, vehicle crush of that extent is
incompatible with survival... Strange things do happen though...
denny

Denny wrote:
2 credit cards, driving license, etc. and spending money in front
pocket... My sciatic nerves do not appreciate sitting on lumps...
I will usually have a bit more money in a bank envelope in my jacket
just in case I "need" something... Since I usually take my jacket off
in the plane it could be separated from me in a crash...
Ideas on how much walking around money is too much is relative...
Over the years I have seen guys who look like they sleep under a
bridge, pull out 10-15K in cash from their bib overalls to pay for a
tractor, or a gun. etc....
I have also seen guys who look like millionaires, Rolex, custom suit,
Mercedes, and not able to pay for a round of drinks...
It takes all kinds...

You're right about that. Seems like a lot to me, but it may have been
SOP for him to carry that much cash around.

As far as him walking away - my guess is he did not (and it's a guess
only)... That engine was literally crushed from the pictures I saw -
which takes a lot of impact G force... He should have had fractured
ankles, broken wrists, in addition to lacerated liver, torn aorta,
ruptured spleen etc. from the belts, based on that picture.. Having
been a deputy coronor in my nefarious past I have pronounced a lot of
folks at their crash site... Normally, vehicle crush of that extent is
incompatible with survival... Strange things do happen though...

What if he bailed into trees just before impact? That's doubtful, but so
is the idea that a bear would carry him *that* far, IMO.

"Shirl" wrote in message
...
| Shirl:
| | That's all speculation. Curious...as a guy, when you fly, do you keep
| | your identification cards and money in your wallet, in your pocket? or
| | in a separate bag somewhere else in the airplane?
|
| Maxwell:
| Cards and money in my wallet, in my pocket.
|
| Yeah. That makes the most sense, but isn't consistent with what they
| found. Can't imagine bringing that much $ but not having it in your
| pocket.

Perhaps, but considering his income bracket, and the fact he was traveling,
it doesn't really seem unreasonable to me. My usual draw at the ATM is $300
in 20s. So I often have 3 to 400 in 20s, which is actually more paper than
he had. Other than that, I carry a couple of licenses, four credit cards and
a half dozen business cards, and it's not a bad fit.

"Maxwell" wrote:
Perhaps, but considering his income bracket, and the fact he was traveling,
it doesn't really seem unreasonable to me. My usual draw at the ATM is $300
in 20s. So I often have 3 to 400 in 20s, which is actually more paper than
he had.

I thought they said they found $1000 in cash.
Either way, I agree that how much is "odd" to be carrying in cash is
subjective. To me, anything over $500 in paper seems like a lot, but as
you said, people carry more when they're traveling.

"Shirl" wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" wrote:
| Perhaps, but considering his income bracket, and the fact he was
traveling,
| it doesn't really seem unreasonable to me. My usual draw at the ATM is
$300
| in 20s. So I often have 3 to 400 in 20s, which is actually more paper
than
| he had.
|
| I thought they said they found $1000 in cash.
| Either way, I agree that how much is "odd" to be carrying in cash is
| subjective. To me, anything over $500 in paper seems like a lot, but as
| you said, people carry more when they're traveling.

I think the LA Times reported it as 10, $100 bills.

But I agree, plastic has become so universal, easy (no loose change), and
accountable, I avoid using cash myself.