interesting moment yesterday on final

It has been demonstrated.

No it hasn't. Look, I'm not going to argue any more until I've been paid.

Jose
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There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to
know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when
they push the button.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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So let's make this clear. It is your assertion that it is the duty
of a pilot flying, under VFR rules, to have the IAP charts with them
or to have them memorized?


No, I made no such assertion.

You most certainly did.

"Jose" wrote in message
et...

No it hasn't. Look, I'm not going to argue any more until I've been paid.


You're a student here. Students don't get paid.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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You most certainly did.

If you believe I made an assertion that it is the duty of a pilot flying
under VFR to have the IAP charts with them or to have them memorized it
should be a simple matter for you to cite that assertion. Please do so.

You're a student here.

Perhaps. We all are. But I picks my teachers carefully. On this
topic, you ain't it.

Jose
--
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to
know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when
they push the button.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jose" wrote in message
t...

Perhaps. We all are. But I picks my teachers carefully. On this topic,
you ain't it.


Actually, you're just a poor student.

Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
et...

You do realize that NONE of the above pertains to IAPs, don't you?

What parts of "...pertinent to his certificate...", or "...visual
contact flying..." confuses you so badly?


It is you that is confused. Jose asked, "How many newly minted VFR
pilots even know how to read an approach plate?" I responded, "Every
newly minted VFR pilot should be able to identify the fixes in the
plan view of an IAP." If one has the knowledge of aeronautical charts
required by FAR 61.105 then one has the knowledge to examine the
legend and plan views of IAPs in a TPP and determine the locations of
FAFs.

My question to YOU was when the ability to understand IAPs was added to
the Private Knowledge or Practical tests? The fact is that it is NOT a
part of the requirements for a Private certificate. The direct route to
realizing that fact is to simply read the published requirements. They are
not secret documents. So, your references to irrelevant regs (twice, no
less) is clearly an indication that you are quite confused about the
requirements and expected abilities of private pilots.

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
t...

My question to YOU was when the ability to understand IAPs was added to
the Private Knowledge or Practical tests? The fact is that it is NOT a
part of the requirements for a Private certificate. The direct route to
realizing that fact is to simply read the published requirements. They are
not secret documents. So, your references to irrelevant regs (twice, no
less) is clearly an indication that you are quite confused about the
requirements and expected abilities of private pilots.


That was NOT your question to me. I stated, "Every newly minted VFR pilot
should be able to identify the fixes in the plan view of an IAP. Your
question in response was, "Oh? When was this added to the Private Knowledge
Test or Practical?" The fact that you don't know what you asked is a clear
indication that it is you that is confused.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...

You most certainly did.

If you believe I made an assertion that it is the duty of a pilot
flying under VFR to have the IAP charts with them or to have them
memorized it should be a simple matter for you to cite that
assertion. Please do so.


You said...

"No, smart pilots already know where the fixes are. They obtained that
information during their flight planning."

How is one to do that without having the charts or memory?

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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You said...

"No, smart pilots already know where the fixes are. They obtained that
information during their flight planning."

How is one to do that without having the charts or memory?

One can choose to have the charts if they desire, they're free online and
can be printed. I don't do that myself. I just examine them to identify
the FAFs, then I go to Aeroplanner.Com. Select Smart Chart (Sectional/WAC)
under the Charts Menu. Select Fix/WPT or Navaid and enter the FAF. A black
plus sign will appear at the location of the FAF on the sectional image. I
transfer it by eyeball to my paper sectional write in the name. Simple and
quick. Here's an example that shows CHIPP, the FAF for the VOR/DME RWY 4
approach at KELD:

http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/c...=FIX&txt=chipp