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![]() wrote in message ups.com... Geez, it's amazing how things become old wives tales. Only a small number of the very first model 177s (original 1968 model year airplanes) left the factory before it was noticed that with full flaps and when slipping toward a landing the pilot could experience an intermittent "tug" on the control wheel. It was traced to the airflow over the stabilator in those conditions and the stabilator nearing the stall angle of attack. It was decided to put the slots in the stabilator to allow it to fly at a higher angle of attack. It solved the problem. The ones in the field that didn't have them were modified and all subsequent airplanes (rest of the 177s, all of the 177As and 177Bs) left the factory with the slots. It also resulted in removing the recommendation against slips with full flaps from the Owner's Manual. Totally separate issue from tailplane stall in icing. All the best, Rick Horizontal tail effectiveness and tailplane stall just the same...There were instances of landing gear damage due to hard landings by folks running out of elevator that was attributed to this also. Don't get me wrong, the 177 RG (or no RG) is a fine instrument platform and a fine flier. BTW, I may be getting old but I am not an old wife! ;-) |
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Indeed, you are not an old wife, and are not old...age is a state of
mind g. In fact, there were no instances of landing gear damage due to hard landings in the Cardinal due to "running out of elevator" yet another old wive's tale; the nosewheel damage incidents on Cardinals were due to the extremely effective stabilator (Cardinal stabilators are effective to far lower speeds than virtually any other general aviation airplane, which is why they have the longest c.g. range of any four place airplanes ever made). Pilots overcontroled in the flare - where they were used to airplanes that lost elevator effectiveness at low speeds, the Cardinal did not, and PIO was the result as pilots moved the yoke fore and aft and the airplane responded very rapidly in pitch. The upshot was that the pilot either went around or hit hard on the nosewheel due to his yoke inputs. That's why any prepurchase inspection of a Cardinal includes a careful examination of the firewall for wrinkles to see if the nosegear has been smacked and the repairs not done correctly. Source: Aviation Consumer Used Airplane Buyer Guide and 1,500 hours in Cardinals as PIC and flight instructor as well as NTSB reports on Cardinal accidents. Interestingly, Cardinal nosewheel damage accidents started to decrease in the mid '70s when the Grumman Traveler, Cheetah and Tiger series came out and had an extremely effective elevator at low speed .... but also suffered from nosewheel impacts and bent firewalls. In the late '80s I was involved in a series of flight tests on Cardinals for reasons that would take too long to go into here, the interesting thing was that the airplanes could do some amazing things and had much more responsive controls than others in the general class - as a result, they could handle much stronger crosswinds than other nosewheel airplanes and had some pretty amazing low speed handling abilities, with pitch, roll and yaw rates that could be induced near the stall that were much faster than the Cherokee 180/Archer, Cessna 172/182 and Beech Musketeer/Sierra series. The downside was that most pilots weren't trained to handle a responsive airplane, which lead to a higher than average incident rate, particularly on landing. You probably know all that as you fly a 177RG, which has impecable manners and is a ball to land in very strong crosswinds when everyone else has hidden behind the hangar. All the best, Rick |
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