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Jay Honeck wrote:
-- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week can't peddle a bike to save our feet? You can peddle it all you want -- just don't try to pedal it. :-) George Patterson Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry, and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing? Because she smells like a new truck. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote:
What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars" driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week can't peddle a bike to save our feet? Jay, I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them. David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com |
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David Odum wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote: What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars" driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week can't peddle a bike to save our feet? Jay, I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them. David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com I can't believe it would be that hard to set up a bike path or two. For that matter, they should separate the golf carts and other conveyances from the foot traffic. This isn't rocket science to figure out and not that hard to implement. Matt |
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-- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week can't peddle a bike
to save our feet? You can peddle it all you want -- just don't try to pedal it. :-) Danged stupid chell-specker... ;-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them. Well, I hear you. But I sure wish there were some bike paths that we could use so that getting from my tent in the North 40 to the ultralight area in the South 40 wasn't a 30-minute (or more) hike. By the end of the week, none of us can bear the thought of walking down that far anymore, so we end up skipping huge portions of the show that I'd really like to see in greater detail. It seems like a couple of "bikes/scooters only" paths, with parking areas at either end, would do the trick? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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I agree 100%! that's one of the most irratating policies the EAA has.
The distances to cover on the OSH grounds are huge. And the crowd that attends is not getting any younger. Bikes need to be allowed and soon. Not only do you have to walk great distances, usually you're carrying a bunch of stuff that makes it all the more harder. Motorized bikes should be allowed also. Like those Bumble bee bike motors sold at the convention. I've been to other non-EAA fly-ins, and being able to use my Dahon folding bike is wonderful. And when the only users with them are the persons bringing folding bikes in their planes, there aren't that many of them anyway. We've got too many old ladys controlling EAA, that all they talk about is over conservatisim ad infinitum. I say the heck with 'em, I'm tired of walking my ass off at the fly-in. My back isn't what it used to be, and flying my plane there is the easy part. Covering the grounds is another matter. Years ago, when FAA administrator Jim Busey attended the Oshkosh convention, he remarked that the crowd was big, but old. Well, we're even older now! And what about when we can't walk so far? is it a wonder that admissions are off at the fly-ins? look at Sun n Fun. The EAA needs to get their heads out of their a__es and realize this. Quit worrying about a harmless bicycle hitting some person or plane. There are a lot worse dangers at a fly-in, like propellers. Danger of fire with all the fueled planes, winds blowing aircraft around. I can't believe with dangers like that, they worry about a bicycle. But that's what we end up with when the EAA has all the proxy votes and has virtual control of the whole smash, instead of the members, as they should. Don't sign that proxy vote over to them! Maybe then, we could vote in bicycles, and who knows what else. Well, I hear you. But I sure wish there were some bike paths that we could use so that getting from my tent in the North 40 to the ultralight area in the South 40 wasn't a 30-minute (or more) hike. By the end of the week, none of us can bear the thought of walking down that far anymore, so we end up skipping huge portions of the show that I'd really like to see in greater detail. It seems like a couple of "bikes/scooters only" paths, with parking areas at either end, would do the trick? |
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Joe Camp wrote:
I agree 100%! that's one of the most irratating policies the EAA has. The distances to cover on the OSH grounds are huge. And the crowd that attends is not getting any younger. Bikes need to be allowed and soon. Not only do you have to walk great distances, usually you're carrying a bunch of stuff that makes it all the more harder. Motorized bikes should be allowed also. Like those Bumble bee bike motors sold at the convention. I've been to other non-EAA fly-ins, and being able to use my Dahon folding bike is wonderful. And when the only users with them are the persons bringing folding bikes in their planes, there aren't that many of them anyway. We've got too many old ladys controlling EAA, that all they talk about is over conservatisim ad infinitum. I say the heck with 'em, I'm tired of walking my ass off at the fly-in. My back isn't what it used to be, and flying my plane there is the easy part. Covering the grounds is another matter. Years ago, when FAA administrator Jim Busey attended the Oshkosh convention, he remarked that the crowd was big, but old. Well, we're even older now! And what about when we can't walk so far? is it a wonder that admissions are off at the fly-ins? look at Sun n Fun. The EAA needs to get their heads out of their a__es and realize this. Quit worrying about a harmless bicycle hitting some person or plane. There are a lot worse dangers at a fly-in, like propellers. Danger of fire with all the fueled planes, winds blowing aircraft around. I can't believe with dangers like that, they worry about a bicycle. But that's what we end up with when the EAA has all the proxy votes and has virtual control of the whole smash, instead of the members, as they should. Don't sign that proxy vote over to them! Maybe then, we could vote in bicycles, and who knows what else. EAA I'm sure recosnizes the aging of its members. that is the primary reason for the sport pilot ruling they pushed hard to get. EAA is on the skids as any membership chairman can tell you when the average age of the members keeps creeping higher and higher, year after year. They need a program that will get kids back into something other than TV and CDs,,,,,,,, The ultralight movement helped, but the recent onus of sport pilot pushed that all back. -- Mark Smith Tri-State Kite Sales 1121 N Locust St Mt Vernon, IN 47620 1-812-838-6351 http://www.trikite.com |
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The ultralight movement helped, but the recent onus of sport pilot pushed that all back. -- Mark Smith Tri-State Kite Sales 1121 N Locust St Mt Vernon, IN 47620 1-812-838-6351 http://www.trikite.com I find that to be alittle strange, at the EAA chapter here there are alot of the ultralight crowd, a few builders and restorers, and the only person there under the age of 55 is me,.....the lone sport pilot. A few of the guys are getting ready for the time when they will need the sport pilot rules. Dang Mark, the only person I see that is going back because of sport pilot is you! I really wonder why that is? Can you not get a pilot cert for some reason? Not trying to offend you but just wonder why you seem so deadset against something that is helping someone like myself so much? From what I see that has pushed the EAA back is the going from actually building an airplane , to buying a 40 Grand kit. And the biggest reason, is the EAA has to find a way to get younger people involved. So please , find some young folks and train them in your fat ultralights and make them sport pilots!!! Are you against making money? I would think any biz , especially in aviation would be happy as a bug in a rug to have another way to make a dollar! Are you just ****ed because you will have to get the fat ultralights N numbered? I just do not understand your contempt. Reminds me of listening to Ted Kennedy spewing his rants and never a good word to say about anything. Heck you can still fly your "weedwackers" around, and I get the opportunity to fly an airplane. We should both be happy! Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech |
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"David Odum" MyFirstName@AirplaneZone wrote in message ... "Jay Honeck" wrote: What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars" driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week can't peddle a bike to save our feet? Jay, I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them. Last year was my first time at Oshkosh, and I understand that the weather caused the attendance to be down 5 to 10% from previous years. I sure would have hated to see bikes in the main areas, the congestion would have been a lot worse. Lots of trams to ride. As for the out-lying areas, I can see that bikes could be beneficial. |
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W P Dixon wrote:
The ultralight movement helped, but the recent onus of sport pilot pushed that all back. -- Mark Smith Tri-State Kite Sales 1121 N Locust St Mt Vernon, IN 47620 1-812-838-6351 http://www.trikite.com I find that to be alittle strange, at the EAA chapter here there are alot of the ultralight crowd, a few builders and restorers, and the only person there under the age of 55 is me,.....the lone sport pilot. A few of the guys are getting ready for the time when they will need the sport pilot rules. Dang Mark, the only person I see that is going back because of sport pilot is you! I really wonder why that is? Can you not get a pilot cert for some reason? Not trying to offend you but just wonder why you seem so deadset against something that is helping someone like myself so much? From what I see that has pushed the EAA back is the going from actually building an airplane , to buying a 40 Grand kit. And the biggest reason, is the EAA has to find a way to get younger people involved. So please , find some young folks and train them in your fat ultralights and make them sport pilots!!! Are you against making money? I would think any biz , especially in aviation would be happy as a bug in a rug to have another way to make a dollar! Are you just ****ed because you will have to get the fat ultralights N numbered? I just do not understand your contempt. Reminds me of listening to Ted Kennedy spewing his rants and never a good word to say about anything. Heck you can still fly your "weedwackers" around, and I get the opportunity to fly an airplane. We should both be happy! Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech Weedwackers eh ? Sounds like you need an ultralight ride bad ! I like the open, don't care for cross countries, could own most any plane i wanted, but I like the quicksilver clones i personally build from scratch,,,,,,,,, I do enjoy instructing but find the FnAA programs to not produce the quality of pilot my own haphazzard methods produce. Not sure, but you've agreed with several of my points,,,,,,,,, stop by my place for some fun, and if you keep a straight face when we get back, it's free,,,,,,,,, and BTW, I don't make my money giving ul lessons at 55 an hour,,,,,,,, -- Mark Smith Tri-State Kite Sales 1121 N Locust St Mt Vernon, IN 47620 1-812-838-6351 http://www.trikite.com |
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