Iced up Cirrus descends by BRS

Skywise wrote:

Is there a "when to pull the chute" guide or some sort of
specific training for these BRS equiped planes?

I mean, it seems logical that one wouldn't just intall a BRS in a
plane and hand it over to a pilot. I would think there would be
some sort of guidelines describing appropriate and inappropriate
situations for using the BRS.

Brian

Simple. I can fly anywhere/anytime. If that creates a condition that
would normally result in aircraft breakup or uncontrolled impact with
terra firma....activate the BRS.

Ron Lee

"Mike Schumann" wrote in
k.net:

The bigger issue is whether pilots are taking risks with Cirrus planes
that they wouldn't otherwise take, because they know they have a BRS
chute available.
Snipola

Well, yeah. That's why I'm asking about training or guidelines.
Let me make an admitedly uneducated example, just being a sim
pilot at the moment....say I encounter icing conditions at 3000
AGL and start to lose control, I would try to recover the plane
until I got to the minimum recommended BRS deployment altitude
instead of just popping the thing right away. I guess what I'm
saying is, the BRS is meant as a last resort option, at least
that's the way I view it. If I've done everything I can to
rectify the situation and nothing's working, then pop the chute.

Brian
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In article ,
"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

"Wallace Berry" wrote in message
...
Friday, an iced up Cirrus came down under BRS. Just a bit northwest of
where I live here in Alabama. According to the newspaper, it took off
out of Birmingham and iced up climbing through clouds, stalled, and the
pilot popped the BRS. Came down in a tree. Pilot and passengers
uninjured.

Icing in Alabama, damn.

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DW



Yeah man! Even in Dixie, it gets cold when you get high. Here in the
Auburn area I've flown through snow showers coming out of big ol'
cumulus clouds well into May.

Wallace

"I don't have an aircraft with a BRS (yet), but I wear an emergency
chute in my glider and my homebuilt".

"Wallace Berry" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

"Wallace Berry" wrote in message
...
Friday, an iced up Cirrus came down under BRS. Just a bit northwest of
where I live here in Alabama. According to the newspaper, it took off
out of Birmingham and iced up climbing through clouds, stalled, and the
pilot popped the BRS. Came down in a tree. Pilot and passengers
uninjured.

Icing in Alabama, damn.

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DW



Yeah man! Even in Dixie, it gets cold when you get high. Here in the
Auburn area I've flown through snow showers coming out of big ol'
cumulus clouds well into May.

Not to mention the ice storms that hit AL from time to time.


Wallace

"I don't have an aircraft with a BRS (yet), but I wear an emergency
chute in my glider and my homebuilt".

Wallace,

it took off
out of Birmingham and iced up climbing through clouds, stalled, and the
pilot popped the BRS. Came down in a tree.


And they posted a pirep while hanging from the chute, according to Avweb:
PIREP: MGM UUA /OV SCD 270004/TM 2200/FL090/TP SR22/IC SVR ICG 077-090/RM
ACFT WAS DESCENDING BY PARACHUTE DUE TO SEVRE ICG BUILDUP.

Kinda cool...

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Matt,

Baloney. They may be good PR for Cirrus, and I've long suspected this
was the only motivation behind including them, but they are lousy PR for
GA overall.


Yep, 3 dead would have been much better PR for GA. And the plane would
probably have shedded the ice while spinning through 5000, too. Great!

What's wrong with you guys?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message news:
Darkwing wrote:
That's true in any situation and our Armchair Quarterbacking will always
make sense after the fact. But if the thing truly did go out of control I
don't think I would "hope" that a warmer lower level would shed the ice
and allow me to regain control, assuming of course the wings stayed
attached. I think I'd rather read that the chute "saved" the lives of 3
GA pilots and passengers instead of another GA plane crash in bad weather
that caused the plane to "stall". The chute, whatever your opinion as a
pilot, is a good PR story for GA.

Baloney. They may be good PR for Cirrus, and I've long suspected this was
the only motivation behind including them, but they are lousy PR for GA
overall.

How so? And how do you know it?

moo

Death is good PR?????

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Baloney. They may be good PR for Cirrus, and I've long suspected this
was the only motivation behind including them, but they are lousy PR for
GA overall.

Yep, 3 dead would have been much better PR for GA. And the plane would
probably have shedded the ice while spinning through 5000, too. Great!

What's wrong with you guys?

Thomas Borchert (EDDH)


Nothing Thomas. Some of use sense an issue that cannot be resolved by
the BRS crutch. What led that pilot to take off into icing conditions
that the plane could not handle? Since only a very small percentage
of aircraft have BRS-like systems, if hundreds more pilots did what
that pilot did then planes would be impacting ground with deadly
consequences. Since I know of no issues with the Cirrus aircraft when
flown in non-icing conditions, we have to evaluate if the pilot made a
potentially deadly error in flying that day. Prevent that sort of
error and we won't have to ask whether planes descending under a
parachute (possibly on top of someone eventually) is good or bad PR.

Ron Lee

Ron,

Stupid pilot tricks have nothing to do at all with the chute. In fact,
GA pilots have managed to get themselves killed in a wide range of
stupid tricks since 1905 or so, thank you very much. Blaming the chute
in any way is a red herring.

Compare the accident stats of new Cessna 182 (and only the new ones)
with those of the Cirrus, like some publicatin recently did. They are
very similar. That possibly tells us something about what kind of pilot
can afford a new plane. It also tells us there is not really an issue
with the Cirrus, apart from pilot factors.

Oh, and the reaction to the Cirrus and their accidents here tells us a
lot about how pilots react to innovation. It tells a sad story, IMHO.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)