TSA training requirements for CFIs

Since 9/11, all persons seeking flight training must prove
they are legal. Sorry about that, it is a pain in the ass.
But since the 9/11 hijackers did attend flight schools,
flight training has become more difficult, record intensive
and expensive. So far the government has not restricted MS
Flight Simulator game software. At least MS took the WTC
off the box.

All CFIs are encourage to know the rules, even if not
actively instructing. This is because you need to know what
and how to determine what is approved.

see
http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers...able_0215.shtm



"Mike Ross" wrote in message
...
| On 16 Aug 2006 12:46:47 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"

| wrote:
|
|
| TRA wrote:
| What records about my students do I need to keep for
the
| TSA? I know what the FAA wants.
|
| Assuming you are a U.S. citizen-only CFI (you would have
done more with
| the TSA if you were authorized to teach non-citizens) you
only need to
| keep a copy of their proof of U.S. citizenship (passport)
or a log book
| endorsement that you validated it.
|
| does a double-take
|
| Non-citizens? What has US citizenship got to do with
taking flying
| lessons? I'm a green card holder and hope to start flying
training
| before the end of the summer, and I can assure you that
green card
| holders are the equal of US citizens in all respects,
except that we
| can't vote or run for office - and the only reason we
can't do those
| is because the language in the relevant clauses in the
Constitution
| specifically refers to 'citizens'. Everywhere else in the
Constitution
| it refers to 'the people' - which SCOTUS has held to
include permanent
| residents, as well as citizens.
|
| So any discrimination against permanent residents in
flight training
| would seem to me to violate the 'equal protection' clause.
I presume
| there's a missing 'or' - 'proof of US citizenship OR
permanent
| residence'. If it's a security thing... well to get a
green card
| you're thoroughly checked out - fingerprints, FBI,
background checks
| etc...
|
| Mike
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| I am the history within'

Jim Macklin wrote:
Since 9/11, all persons seeking flight training must prove
they are legal.

Oh, so terrorist can't be US citizens? And a non-citizen with a clean
records can't learn to fly and then be activated by al Qaeda? That's
bizarre logic.

But since the 9/11 hijackers did attend flight schools

They also had drivers licenses, did they not?

All CFIs are encourage to know the rules, even if not
actively instructing. This is because you need to know what
and how to determine what is approved.

Ok, so answer this. AOPA tells me I need to take the training. As
someone else pointed out, the training for freelance CFI's seems to
consist of a 12 page PDF file. So what are we actually supposed to do?
As I'm not actively instructing, I don't even have an airport to go
poking around.

It isn't my rule. I think it is stupid and misses the
point. Anybody can learn to fly with a PC and $25 worth of
software anywhere in the world. At least enough to hijack
and crash.

I know that FSI, Cessna and Beech have lost a lot of
business because of the rules.
Yep, there are citizens who are crazy Muslim terrorists,
crazy redneck fundamental Christians, and just plain crazy.

But the rules are the rules, I'm just a messenger for the
messenger.


"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| Since 9/11, all persons seeking flight training must
prove
| they are legal.
|
| Oh, so terrorist can't be US citizens? And a non-citizen
with a clean
| records can't learn to fly and then be activated by al
Qaeda? That's
| bizarre logic.
|
| But since the 9/11 hijackers did attend flight schools
|
| They also had drivers licenses, did they not?
|
| All CFIs are encourage to know the rules, even if not
| actively instructing. This is because you need to know
what
| and how to determine what is approved.
|
| Ok, so answer this. AOPA tells me I need to take the
training. As
| someone else pointed out, the training for freelance CFI's
seems to
| consist of a 12 page PDF file. So what are we actually
supposed to do?
| As I'm not actively instructing, I don't even have an
airport to go
| poking around.

Emily wrote:
They also had drivers licenses, did they not?

Yes, in fact one of the pilots was pulled over for speeding on his way
to the airport. Despire the fact that the INS was looking for him
because he had overstayed his visa, his driver's license was still 100%
valid. Now California is talking about trumping federal law and
offering driver's licenses to illegal aliens even if they never did
have legal status.

-Robert

Despire the fact that the INS was looking for him
because he had overstayed his visa, his driver's license was still 100%
valid.

His library card would probably still be valid too.

Jose
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Jose wrote:
Despire the fact that the INS was looking for him
because he had overstayed his visa, his driver's license was still 100%
valid.

His library card would probably still be valid too.

But the officer did not run his library card for a background check, he
did run his DL to look for warrents but he came out clean even though
he was wanted by the INS. Many states believe that allowing the INS to
flag a driver's license in a threat to privacy.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:

But the officer did not run his library card for a background check,

I've met some librarians who would make you wish you were arrested if
you had an overdue book! 8^)

But the officer did not run his library card for a background check, he
did run his DL to look for warrents but he came out clean even though
he was wanted by the INS.

The post was about the DL being =valid=, not about its failing to be
flagged.

Many states believe that allowing the INS to
flag a driver's license in a threat to privacy.

I think I agree with them.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
om...
Somebody else wrote:
Many states believe that allowing the INS to
flag a driver's license in a threat to privacy.

I think I agree with them.

Jose


So, if you are wanted for murder should they flag your DL?

So, if you are wanted for murder should they flag your DL?

No, if I am wanted for murder, I don't want to get caught.

I have no problem with certain things being flags on the DL - murder
being one example. However, the list is too easy to expand. Terrorism?
(based on TSA's secret criteria?) Child molestation? Skinny dipping?
Skinny dipping with children? Your children?

Drug lords? Drug mules? Suspicion of pot smoking? Neighbor complaints
about unkempt lawns and "strange smells"?

There is due process, but I've seen that due process abused too often
for me to be comfortable allowing the authorities to flag common
activities. For that matter, why not flag credit cards, library cards,
and Stop-and-shop cards? It would be extremely effective, and not a bad
deterrent to boot.

Jose
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