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We are fighting an enemy who has no problem and in fact has it as their
primary tactic to kill civilians. They also have no problem sheilding themselves with non-combatants, including children. If we don't have the stomach to attack them whereever they may be we need to call it quits and pull every soldier, sailor and airman we have around the world back home. Because we can't win or for that matter defend ourselves. Golda Meier has been quoted as saying, 'We can forgive them for killing our children, but we can never forgive them for making us kill there's'. We are fighting an enemy with different values than ours. We need to adjust to that. |
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Golda Meier has been quoted as saying, 'We can forgive them for killing our children, but we can never forgive them for making us kill there's'.
We are fighting an enemy with different values than ours. We need to adjust to that. That's one of the most enlightened quotes I've ever read -- and it truly, sadly, sums up the war we're in. Unfortunately the electorate is too busy worrying about Paris Hilton's latest diet to notice. By the time they *do* notice, it may be too late. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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In article ,
Bill Watson wrote: It's going to get bloody in here.... Jay, there's a lot of descriptive stuff written about this setup and lot's of action stories. I"m sure people will hook you up. But I always had to turn away from those stories - even though it's not the most effective, high tech weapon out there, it is the epitome of high explosive terrorism from the air. Naw, cluster bombs sound worse. Objectively, it's not always clear who the biggest terrorists are. So let's pick up that bloody flag and wave it some more. Objectively, the terrorists attacked civilians in our own country, via methods unlawful even in warfare. Had they not done this, we would not be there. They take their families along with them and hide behind civilians, daring us to shoot. They want to commit terror -- we can (and will) show them what *REAL* terror is! Mullah Omar reputedly remarked that he was surprised at the fury of our response to 9/11. Let them know that it is really not a good idea to pull on a tiger's tail! |
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![]() Jay Honeck wrote: brevity snip In order to keep the weapons on target, I would think that you'd have to hold altitude accurately, too, and your "track" would need to be smooth enough so that the computers could figure deflection accurately. The capabilities of weapons systems boggle the mind. When I was an army FO/FAC (70's) it was rumored an 8-inch tracked howitzer could put 2 rounds into the same hole. Probably exaggeration, but not beyond the realm of possibility. FDC's (fire direction centers) used to compute the the trajectories -by hand-, including temperature, humidity, surface wind, winds aloft, differences in elevation between the gun and target and the rotation of the earth for the duration of the round flight. A good FO could "Fire For Effect" and put "steel on target" the third round, but not without estimating the effect of the adjustment gun's hot barrel as opposed to the other gun's cold barrels. I only adjusted navy guns in training but they were, by far, the most accurate... while floating and rocking in the sea. How... I have no idea. With GPS and computer-controlled guns factored into the equation, if it can be seen, it can be destroyed. I imagine Spooky pilots might not have to fly much of an attack at all, but I would -love- to hear what actually goes on. I've seen video from the FLIR camera of a night attack on "personnel in the open" using the smaller cannons and the helplessness of the targets was truly pitiful. One second they were there going about their business, the next few seconds they were converted to pink mist. There was -no chance- for escape. ----- - gpsman |
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On 11 Jan 2007 10:11:47 -0800, "gpsman"
wrote: The capabilities of weapons systems boggle the mind. When I was an army FO/FAC (70's) it was rumored an 8-inch tracked howitzer could put 2 rounds into the same hole. Probably exaggeration, but not beyond the realm of possibility Keep in mind that the Howitzer makes a sizable first hole. Don Virginia - the only State with a flag rated "R" for partial nudity and graphic violence. |
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("Jay Honeck" wrote)
The recent obliteration of the Somali chapter of Al Queda by an AC-130 gunship (See http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130.htm if you don't know what one looks like) got me wondering how, exactly, one would pilot such a craft during an attack. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16576458/ Ooooh, so close. Would you like to take another shot at winning your gal that big stuffed Teddy Bear? All it takes to "win" is ONE BBBBILLION dollars. Who'll play. Who's next? How 'bout you fella? Montblack |
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The FAA commercial maneuver known as Turns On A Point. It
is done by using pivotal altitude. "Montblack" wrote in message ... | ("Jay Honeck" wrote) | The recent obliteration of the Somali chapter of Al Queda by an AC-130 | gunship (See http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130.htm if you | don't know what one looks like) got me wondering how, exactly, one | would pilot such a craft during an attack. | | | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16576458/ | Ooooh, so close. | | Would you like to take another shot at winning your gal that big stuffed | Teddy Bear? All it takes to "win" is ONE BBBBILLION dollars. Who'll play. | Who's next? How 'bout you fella? | | | Montblack | | |
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Jim Macklin wrote:
The FAA commercial maneuver known as Turns On A Point. It is done by using pivotal altitude. and using pitch to adjust for wind. A fun and rewarding maneuver. So, what is pivotal altitude for AC-130 flying at what? 200+? knots The faster, the higher, the better, I would guess. "Montblack" wrote in message ... | ("Jay Honeck" wrote) | The recent obliteration of the Somali chapter of Al Queda by an AC-130 | gunship (See http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130.htm if you | don't know what one looks like) got me wondering how, exactly, one | would pilot such a craft during an attack. | | | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16576458/ | Ooooh, so close. | | Would you like to take another shot at winning your gal that big stuffed | Teddy Bear? All it takes to "win" is ONE BBBBILLION dollars. Who'll play. | Who's next? How 'bout you fella? | | | Montblack | | |
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