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Old November 8th 07, 04:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Do a search for Lockheed Electra, Tell City Crash, 1960 I believe.
Reference that with propeller whirl mode, and you should come up with
all you'll ever need to know about resonant frequency as relates to
destructive force.


Hmmm. If it happened to another Electra in 1960, that says a lot.
The crash I'm talking about happened in 1938.

I guess maybe they DIDN'T address the problem...?
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Old November 8th 07, 04:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Hmmm. If it happened to another Electra in 1960, that says a lot.
The crash I'm talking about happened in 1938.

I guess maybe they DIDN'T address the problem...?


Different aircraft.


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Old November 8th 07, 05:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
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Jay Honeck wrote in news:1194537883.203290.75060
@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

Do a search for Lockheed Electra, Tell City Crash, 1960 I believe.
Reference that with propeller whirl mode, and you should come up with
all you'll ever need to know about resonant frequency as relates to
destructive force.


Hmmm. If it happened to another Electra in 1960, that says a lot.
The crash I'm talking about happened in 1938.


Two completely different airplanes. You've obviously been drinking the tidy
bowl as well as sniffing the furntiure polish.


Bertie
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Old November 8th 07, 07:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Hmmm. If it happened to another Electra in 1960, that says a lot.
The crash I'm talking about happened in 1938.

I guess maybe they DIDN'T address the problem...?


Lockheed reused the Electra name. The 1930s Electra (think Amelia Earhart)
was a piston twin. The 1950s Electra was a 4 engine turboprop airliner.

http://www.constable.ca/sd076a.jpg

http://www.spain4uk.co.uk/images/wil...tra_G-LOFE.jpg

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Old November 8th 07, 07:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Structural failure due to harmonic vibration

Jay Honeck wrote:

Hmmm. If it happened to another Electra in 1960, that says a lot.
The crash I'm talking about happened in 1938.

I guess maybe they DIDN'T address the problem...?


Lockheed reused the Electra name. The 1930s Electra (think Amelia Earhart)
was a piston twin. The 1950s Electra was a 4 engine turboprop airliner.

http://www.constable.ca/sd076a.jpg

http://www.spain4uk.co.uk/images/wil...tra_G-LOFE.jpg

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Old November 8th 07, 03:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I've just finished reading the tale of the first round trip coast-to-
coast flight (which was accomplished by mid-air refueling,
occasionally from milk cans) from Spokane, WA to the east coast and
back, way back in 1929. They flew a distance of 10,000 miles (they
circled over airports whilst refueling) without landing. A
fascinating story, printed in a terrific magazine, "Aviation History".


A coast-to-coast flight originating from Spokane? Spokane is in eastern
Washington, not far from the Idaho border. Must be nearly 400 miles from
the Pacific coast.


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Old November 8th 07, 04:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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A coast-to-coast flight originating from Spokane? Spokane is in eastern
Washington, not far from the Idaho border. Must be nearly 400 miles from
the Pacific coast.


My mistake. The author called the flight "trans-continental" and
"across America" -- which my brain translated into "coast-to-coast"
for some reason...
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Old November 8th 07, 04:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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A coast-to-coast flight originating from Spokane? Spokane is in eastern
Washington, not far from the Idaho border. Must be nearly 400 miles from
the Pacific coast.


My mistake. The author called the flight "trans-continental" and
"across America" -- which my brain translated into "coast-to-coast"
for some reason...


I think most people would agree with you. I'd say a "trans-continental"
flight that started in Spokane and proceeded east failed to transit about
400 miles worth of continent.


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Old November 8th 07, 05:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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A coast-to-coast flight originating from Spokane? Spokane is in
eastern Washington, not far from the Idaho border. Must be nearly
400 miles from the Pacific coast.


My mistake. The author called the flight "trans-continental" and
"across America" -- which my brain translated into "coast-to-coast"
for some reason...


I think most people would agree with you. I'd say a "trans-
continental" flight that started in Spokane and proceeded east failed
to transit about 400 miles worth of continent.


Would you count KSEA to KJFK as Trans-continental? If so the difference in
the distance of a great circle route flight would only be 193 miles.


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Old November 8th 07, 05:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Would you count KSEA to KJFK as Trans-continental?


Yes.


 




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