Dumb Reg question

"BTIZ" writes:

except for the fact that you referenced it wrong..

61.31(g) Additional training required for operating PRESSURIZED AIRCRAFT
capable of operating at high altitudes..

It is not a "high altitude" endorsement.. it is a Pressurized Aircraft
endorsement

Here's the relevant part of 61.31(g):

(g) Additional training required for operating pressurized
aircraft capable of operating at high altitudes. (1) Except as
provided in paragraph (g)(3) of this section, no person may act as
pilot in command of a pressurized aircraft (an aircraft that has a
service ceiling or maximum operating altitude, whichever is lower,
above 25,000 feet MSL), unless that person has received and logged
ground training from an authorized instructor and obtained an
endorsement in the person's logbook or training record from an
authorized instructor who certifies the person has satisfactorily
accomplished the ground training.

It looks to me like that parenthetical is definitional; it is
*defining* a "pressurized aircraft" as any aircraft that has a service
ceiling or maximum operating altitude above 25,000ft MSL.

This is a Federal regulation; having a "pressurized aircraft" defined
in a way that has nothing to do with controlling the pressure within
the aircraft body is about par for the course, isn't it?
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message .


Jim.....
You were mighty quick to jump onto BT's answer, and here you are also
picking at Slick's post. Just for the sake of accuracy, could you clarify a
couple of points for me?

1. You officiously quibbled over Slick's use of the term "stick time" - a
common item of aviation slang - but then you refer to some aircraft called
a "traumahawk". I've not heard of this model, and I knw you're not the kind
of guy to use slng terms - could you expand, please?

2. Could you please explain when the FAA started issuing "private ratings"?
I've not heard of any term like this in my near forty years in aviation -
except from some few folk who bandy terms about without really knowing
whereof they speak. But you seem such a knowledgable fellow, I don't think
you'd be in that sub-group, do you? Please clarify.

Slick wrote:
I've only ever flown Cessna products and I've come across an area I'm not
sure about. I have my private and I have flow 150/2 and 172's since I
starting my training. Now I might partner up with a guy in a Tomahawk next
weekend for a tour across the state. I don't have any formal training in
any
Piper products, will I be allowed to log any stick time?

For the time that you are the "sole manipulator of the controls", you can
log PIC, your friend can not log PIC (or SIC) even though he presumably is
acting as PIC.


I don't recall
exactly how the regs layout type certification. Do I have to be signed off
and have logged instruction to be PIC in the Tomahawk?

No.


Also if I only had
time in a 150, would I have to have instruction in a 152 before I could
log
PIC?

No, but it's probably a good idea.


One last question, If I fly simulated instrument with a safety pilot, does
the safety pilot have to sign my logbook? Thanks to everyone for your help
and response.

No. BTW: If you are (acting as) PIC, then you log PIC, your friend logs
SIC. If your friend is (acting as) PIC, you both log PIC.

Hilton

If you are able to be a PIC in a Airplane Single Engine Land, then you
can fly a Tomahawk and be/log PIC. If you are "current" then you can
carry passengers. The FAA does not have restrictions on being trained in
one plane, then flying another. I'm sure if you bent or broke the plane,
they could say you were careless and reckless, but they don't explicitly
require a checkout in every type you are gonna fly.

Wether the INSURANCE company will cover you (without having any
instruction in type) is another matter. Most every place that I have
flown at (rented from..) requires a checkout in every major type of
plane they have for you to rent planes in those types...

For instance.. the high wing Cessna's... I could check out in their
Arrow and fly all their cherokee airframes..

I could likewise check out in the 182 and fly all their cessna's.

(the above two examples assume you have your one-time complex and High
Performance endorsements)

Dave

Slick wrote:

I've only ever flown Cessna products and I've come across an area I'm not
sure about. I have my private and I have flow 150/2 and 172's since I
starting my training. Now I might partner up with a guy in a Tomahawk next
weekend for a tour across the state. I don't have any formal training in any
Piper products, will I be allowed to log any stick time? I don't recall
exactly how the regs layout type certification. Do I have to be signed off
and have logged instruction to be PIC in the Tomahawk? Also if I only had
time in a 150, would I have to have instruction in a 152 before I could log
PIC?

One last question, If I fly simulated instrument with a safety pilot, does
the safety pilot have to sign my logbook? Thanks to everyone for your help
and response.



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