"position & hold" going away

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:44:28 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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The purpose of P&H is to expedite the flow of traffic. Sitting kind of
sideways delays your departure.

Said delay is insignificant for a 3,000 lb gross aircraft.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
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I've never felt comfortable sitting in "position and hold". And I've
done it many times.

My opinion is that it is much better to taxi onto the runway and kind
of sit sideways, so you can see everything.

That's so much better than thinking, "I hope no one is behind us!"



The purpose of P&H is to expedite the flow of traffic. Sitting kind of
sideways delays your departure.

Slightly, but having another airplane land on top of you delays your
departure even more.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Slightly, but having another airplane land on top of you delays your
departure even more.


Well, if the visibility is such that the arriving aircraft can't see you and
it lands on top of you, then it's unlikely that sitting kind of sideways
would allow you to see him.

Well, if the visibility is such that the arriving aircraft can't see you and
it lands on top of you, then it's unlikely that sitting kind of sideways
would allow you to see him.

It is unwise to =depend= on somebody seeing you. It might not be the
visibility that prevents the arriving aircraft from noticing you, or
perhaps from doing anything about it (one might have taxiied into
position in error, detected later by the laws of physics)

Jose
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Well, if the visibility is such that the arriving aircraft can't see you
and
it lands on top of you, then it's unlikely that sitting kind of sideways
would allow you to see him.

I don't see why you would think that.

Ever been rear ended, sitting at a stop light, or such? (in a car, of
course)

I have been, and a very hard hit, about 45 mph. When ever I stop now, I
look in my mirror, and if I see that somone is not going to stop, I am ready
to take evasive action, like going off the side of the road, or into another
lane.

It may not work, but I'm sure going to try and avoid that, if I can.

Same thing for sitting sideways, to get a view of the glideslope. If
someone is coming in, and I saw them, I could try to get to the side of the
runway, or back to the taxiway, or into the ditch. At least you would have
a fighting chance to avoid a catastrophe. Sitting straight, some planes
couldn't see squat, so there is a *good* reason for the sideways trick. It
couldn't take more than 3 or 4 seconds to get straight in the first part of
your takeoff roll.
--
Jim in NC

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Slightly, but having another airplane land on top of you delays your
departure even more.



Well, if the visibility is such that the arriving aircraft can't see you and
it lands on top of you, then it's unlikely that sitting kind of sideways
would allow you to see him.



The OPs point was that he could see the plane approaching and taxi off
the runway out of the way.

Matt