losing your wings.....

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:51:32 GMT, Dave in San Diego
postulated :

Didn't you really mean A-6s? Viggies are North American Iron, formerly out of
somewhere in Jawja.

Yep! Right after hitting the "enter" key I saw the typo. I've always
wanted a keyboard with a "Ignore Last Key" .




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'97 FLHTCI Lehman trike
Life is best behind bars

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:39:19 -0700, "Mike Kanze"
postulated :

Did my generation do these stupid stunts? Hell, yes. (Even in A-6s.) Were
our actions any "better" than this young man's? Hell, no.

A-5s out of Oceana used to make bomb runs on the Kerr Lake dam which
is on the VA/NC border. I've been in one of the campgrounds and you
could almost count the rivets on the Grumman Iron.


Didn't you really mean A-6s? Viggies are North American Iron, formerly out
of
somewhere in Jawja.

North American in Georgia? Not in my lifetime (nor before the, IIRC)...

KB

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:39:19 -0700, "Mike Kanze"
postulated :


Did my generation do these stupid stunts? Hell, yes. (Even in A-6s.) Were
our actions any "better" than this young man's? Hell, no.

A-5s out of Oceana used to make bomb runs on the Kerr Lake dam which
is on the VA/NC border. I've been in one of the campgrounds and you
could almost count the rivets on the Grumman Iron.


Didn't you really mean A-6s? Viggies are North American Iron, formerly out
of
somewhere in Jawja.


North American in Georgia? Not in my lifetime (nor before the, IIRC)...

KB



Built at Columbus, OH, based at NAS Albany, GA. Purtiest airframe the
Navy ever bought, with no ailerons, elevator or rudder.

http://www.bobjellison.com/RA5C_Vigilante.htm

Rick

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:39:19 -0700, "Mike Kanze"
postulated :

Did my generation do these stupid stunts? Hell, yes. (Even in A-6s.)
Were our actions any "better" than this young man's? Hell, no.

A-5s out of Oceana used to make bomb runs on the Kerr Lake dam which
is on the VA/NC border. I've been in one of the campgrounds and you
could almost count the rivets on the Grumman Iron.


Didn't you really mean A-6s? Viggies are North American Iron, formerly
out of
somewhere in Jawja.

North American in Georgia? Not in my lifetime (nor before the, IIRC)...

KB

This link - http://www.vectorsite.net/ava5.html - substantiates it as NA
Iron, and

this link - http://www.skyhawk.org/3E/rvah3/rvah3p.htm substantiates it as
having lived in JawJa.

Runway to runway, Nas Brunswick, ME to NAS Albany, GA in 65 minutes, 1 Jan
72, by an RA-5C.

Dave in San Diego
AT1, USN (ret)
1969 - 1989

then tell me Mike, what makes a good fighter
pilot?

beancounter,

then tell me Mike, what makes a good fighter pilot?

I was an A-6A B/N, so I'll let the fighter types answer that one.

More seriously, I don't think it matters what you fly. Immaturity and
selfishness can be found in any flying community.

--
Mike Kanze

"A rattlesnake loose in the living room tends to end all discussion of
animal rights."

- Time magazine's Lance Morrow, written after the September 11 attacks.


"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
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then tell me Mike, what makes a good fighter
pilot?

It's peacetime and all the worrywarts have crawled out of the walls -
again- to tell everyone else 'you're doing it all wrong.' I saw it
happen three distinct times during my career. Granted - the F18 stud
hung it out a bit much. But I fondly remember a pentagon type - an 06
who briefed the JCS daily - that the 'career hawks' cringed whenever
some stud hung it out too far but when the guns started shooting the
'stars' were damn glad those same studs were around to go lay some
expert hurt on the bad guys. Anybody who willingly and eagerly goes out
to trade shots with the enemy isn't exactly a tame, sane and stable
character.
Walt BJ

"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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It's peacetime and all the worrywarts have crawled out of the walls -
again- to tell everyone else 'you're doing it all wrong.' I saw it
happen three distinct times during my career. Granted - the F18 stud
hung it out a bit much. But I fondly remember a pentagon type - an 06
who briefed the JCS daily - that the 'career hawks' cringed whenever
some stud hung it out too far but when the guns started shooting the
'stars' were damn glad those same studs were around to go lay some
expert hurt on the bad guys. Anybody who willingly and eagerly goes out
to trade shots with the enemy isn't exactly a tame, sane and stable
character.
Walt BJ

Attitude is everything, especially after you've been caught with your pants
down.

Someone else has pointed out that considering the young officers behavior
after he lost his wings that this probably wasn't the first time he's pulled
something cocky so I doubt his reaction when confronted was " I realize I
did something really stupid and wish I hadn't done it"

Is what he did a GUARANTEED loss of wings? Or if he had an otherwise good
record could his flying carreer had been saved?

Walt BJ,

It's peacetime and all the worrywarts have crawled out of the walls

True. And all the more reason to mind our manners. I'd rather not give the
politicians any more reason to cut our rations than they can conjure on
their own.

but when the guns started shooting the 'stars' were damn glad those same
studs were around to go lay some expert hurt on the bad guys.

I have no problem with that.

But given a choice, I'd prefer someone smart enough to know when to hang it
out, and when not to. There are plenty of times and places where someone can
establish one's bonafides and do so without endangering the campesinos and
the taxpayer's dinero, not to mention one's own hide or the skin of a
crewmate.

This guy didn't pass that test.

Anybody who willingly and eagerly goes out to trade shots with the enemy
isn't exactly a tame, sane and stable character.

Add to that the willingness to do so from a pitching flight deck, and you
definitely have a bunch of certifiables. g

--
Mike Kanze

"A rattlesnake loose in the living room tends to end all discussion of
animal rights."

- Time magazine's Lance Morrow, written after the September 11 attacks.


"WaltBJ" wrote in message
ups.com...
It's peacetime and all the worrywarts have crawled out of the walls -
again- to tell everyone else 'you're doing it all wrong.' I saw it
happen three distinct times during my career. Granted - the F18 stud
hung it out a bit much. But I fondly remember a pentagon type - an 06
who briefed the JCS daily - that the 'career hawks' cringed whenever
some stud hung it out too far but when the guns started shooting the
'stars' were damn glad those same studs were around to go lay some
expert hurt on the bad guys. Anybody who willingly and eagerly goes out
to trade shots with the enemy isn't exactly a tame, sane and stable
character.
Walt BJ

ture, i think i perfer a "bit" of attitude and cockyness in a
fighter polit......


" I don't think it matters what you fly. Immaturity and
selfishness can be found in any flying community. "