Radio - foul language

Guy Alcala wrote in
:

Krztalizer wrote:


I'd have to disagree: if there is no doubt what the word is, how are
anyone's presumably tender sensibilities being protected?


Because there are youngsters that visit newsgroups as well as us old
pharts - personally, I'd rather not be the one to add select words to
their vocabulary. Will they learn them? Most certainly. Hopefully,
not from me.

Gordon, how many youngsters would you say visit this newsgroup? Aside
from the occasional adolescent, who usually doesn't stick around very
long and who has undoubtedly long-since learned these words (as they
usually resort to them when their wild claims are demolished by the
regulars)? I'd say very few, and if they're mature enough to find
this newsgroup and understand the conversations, then they've been
exposed to far more swearing and adult language in their culture than
either you or I likely were at a similar age. I grew up watching
"Leave it to Beaver" re-runs, not the "Simpsons" or "South Park," and
there weren't any 'gangsta rappers on the radio (and no MTV) either.
No TV beer commercials featuring dogs biting men in the genitals, no
ads for Viagra, Levitra, or incontinence products, no Jerry Springer,
etc. etc.

I believe that's called "the dumbing-down of society",that when the public
accepts some previously untolerated behavior,that it gradually becomes more
acceptable for more previously-untolerated behavior.

IOW,the line not to be crossed keeps changing downwards,as people become
used to it.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

From: Ed Rasimus


What? You mean they let sailors in here?

I'd not have frequented the joint had I known that was going on!


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8



Ed, the proper term for Navy persons is not "sailors" since they no longer uses
sails. The correct term is "anchor clanker."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Krztalizer" wrote in message
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Gordon, how many youngsters would you say visit this newsgroup?

My eight year old son, for one. Probably a few others, but as you suggest,
not
many. Still, since its not off-limits to the wee ones AND ladies, I don't
see
it as the same as a forum for, say, just sailors.

My eleven year old nephew and his nine year old sister once every week
or two.

Ed, the proper term for Navy persons is not "sailors" since they no longer
uses
sails. The correct term is "anchor clanker."


Look, zoomie, we're squids. Got it? :1

From: nt (Krztalizer)
Date: 2/10/2004 12:26 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Ed, the proper term for Navy persons is not "sailors" since they no longer
uses
sails. The correct term is "anchor clanker."


Look, zoomie, we're squids. Got it? :1

Not swab jockies? Geeze, make up your minds

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

My eleven year old nephew and his nine year old sister once every week
or two.

That's enough reason for me to keep it clean (-ish). When I slip up, thwack
me, JD, just like my daughter does.

v/r
Gordon

Look, zoomie, we're squids. Got it? :1

Not swab jockies? Geeze, make up your minds

'swabs' was for the guys just out of boot camp - once we got out to sea,
'squid' seemed to stick. most of the other nicknames seemed to fade, but
occasionally, I still get called a squid by an old friend, or by my sister, the
retired AF officer that uses any excuse to barbeque me over my choice of
service. She wintered over in Misawa for three years, while I griddle-tanned
on Dodge, working one day in five. _Who_ chose poorly? )

Granted, she had her own kind of adventure, but I think I was suited for the
role I played and I doubt I would have done as well in the USAF - not through
any fault of theirs, just a bit of a personality conflict. My favorite word
has always been "autonomous", applied to H-2 operations or as a Naval courier -
the Air Force would have hung me for some of the stunts I was in on!

v/r
Gordon

From: nt (Krztalizer)
Date: 2/10/2004 1:31 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


My eleven year old nephew and his nine year old sister once every week
or two.

That's enough reason for me to keep it clean (-ish). When I slip up, thwack
me, JD, just like my daughter does.

v/r
Gordon

That's just one reason to keep it clean. Another is there is no reason to use
vulgarity in a newsgroup. It is possible to communicate without using it.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

On 10 Feb 2004 06:26:28 GMT, nt (Krztalizer) wrote:


Ed, the proper term for Navy persons is not "sailors" since they no longer
uses
sails. The correct term is "anchor clanker."


Look, zoomie, we're squids. Got it? :1

Just one more "small world" example. I served for four years in the
613th TFS out of Torrejon Spain, flying the F-4C. The squadron was the
"Fighting Squids"! So, I'll always be a squid.

(In reality, the patch showed something that looked a lot more like an
octopus--black on a yellow background, hurling a red rocket toward the
ground with his tentacles. Gotta really love a fighter squadron whose
color is "yellow" and whose mascot is a spineless jellyfish.)


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

On 10 Feb 2004 00:23:38 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: Radio - foul language
From: "Paul J. Adam"

Depends on timescales. If you're calling in a fire mission from a
battery in direct support, or reporting a hot contact... the enemy will
gain nothing from intercepting and translating your radio messages. They
already know that Our Guys are fighting Their Guys at grid 123987, the
spooks get told to clear the net for useful messages
Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

Radio silence. Above all radio silence. Only guys on their first mission and
scared to hell blurt over the command radio. And are so severely disciplined
on landing that they will never do it again.


Arthur Kramer

Radio discipline is important. It's an absolute, even when it isn't
necessary--as in modern ops where you've got secure comm. It still
demonstrates professionalism if the radio chatter is eliminated.

That being said, however, Art overlooks the situation. It's a ground
commander calling for fire support. The ground commander's rep, calls
for fire and must communicate the situation. If he maintains radio
silence, no one knows the need for fire. If, under the duress of the
moment, the FAC or controller adds an adjective, that can readily be
forgiven.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8