Drunk pilot loses certificate

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I like the UK studies of alcohol best, as they do not get involved
in
politically correct religous ass kissing.

To add to this:

A human body creates about 1 ounce of alcohol each day, if you do not
consume alcohol. Two ounces of Wild Turkey each day is much more
healthy
than the carbo-loading recommended by the FDA.

UK studies of 70 year olds yielded the following results:

1. Drinkers live, on average, 5 years longer than tea todlers.



"Tea todlers"? Children who drink tea? You mean "teetotalers".

I mean a tea drinker, as opposed to alcohol. It is an old social trick,
for
those who would rather not drink.


Over the past ten years or so I have read in the papers of a few studies
that appear to show that moderate drinkers live longer than teetotalers.
However, in the case of "tea todlers" maybe the tea is shortening their
lives.

Earl G

"Big John" wrote in message

I've see a number of individuals who drank from wake up to the time
their eyes closed for sleep at night.

They were able to pass any and all tests of ANY kind (memory, verbal,
body activity, etc) given to them

What do you mean by "drank"? What BAC are we talking about? Seasoned
drinkers can mask the symptoms of imparment to an extent. But above .15,
it's nearly impossible.

How do you know this individual was not one whose body assimilated
alcohol in a manner that did not effect normal activities by any
measure (test)? Were the results of any impairment tests published?

No need. Impairment by any intoxicating substance is just too dangerous to
sanction. Or do you suggest that only certain types of flying be allowed
when impaired?

le moo

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I like the UK studies of alcohol best, as they do not get involved

in

politically correct religous ass kissing.

To add to this:

A human body creates about 1 ounce of alcohol each day, if you do not
consume alcohol. Two ounces of Wild Turkey each day is much more

healthy

than the carbo-loading recommended by the FDA.

UK studies of 70 year olds yielded the following results:

1. Drinkers live, on average, 5 years longer than tea todlers.



"Tea todlers"? Children who drink tea? You mean "teetotalers".

I mean a tea drinker, as opposed to alcohol. It is an old social trick,

for

those who would rather not drink.



Over the past ten years or so I have read in the papers of a few studies
that appear to show that moderate drinkers live longer than teetotalers.
However, in the case of "tea todlers" maybe the tea is shortening their
lives.

A "toddler" can be either a young child or someone who is walking
unsteadily (i.e. like a very young child).
Perhaps there is something in their tea other than herbs and caffeine. In
which case the 'tea toddlers' may be consuming more alcohol than the drinkers.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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I like the UK studies of alcohol best, as they do not get involved in
politically correct religous ass kissing.

As opposed to the Islamic Garden article I found with google! :-)

Paul

Big John wrote:

Tom

Hate to drop a brick on your foot, especially if you have it in your
mouth for being so equivocal.

I've see a number of individuals who drank from wake up to the time
their eyes closed for sleep at night.

You frequently defend pilots who habitually drink to excess. I would
not be surprised to find that you are a chronic alcoholic. Of course,
you'll deny everything here but that is neither here nor there. Most
alcoholics are in extreme denial anyway. As one with three alcoholics
in the family, one a retired airline pilot (my father), one dead (my
mother), and my brother being the third, your words and attitude are
all too familiar.

BD

"No way jose" as they say down here.

My posts were against those who arbitrarily made comments about
drinking that are/were not supportable by facts.

In this regard, can you give me cites where a drunken pilot killed any
one on the ground? This was the thrust of several vocal posts re the
pilot having his ticket pulled for flying with a breathalizer (sp)
test showing an arbitrary amount of alcohol in his system. No
impairment was ever tested for or shown in that event yet he was
pilloried. I would expect those who posted so vehemently to also

I have see where GA pilots killed themselves and their passengers with
a high amount of alcohol in their systems but never an accident in
commercial aviation where alcohol caused the accident. This of course
could be having two pilots in commercial planes and mostly single
pilots in GA?

I'm sorry about your family. I was never faced with that type of
problem. Kudos for not falling into the trap of father/son.

I never became a stand up or falling down drunk and limit myself to a
cocktail before dinner.

I don't do drugs but did take 'dexadrene' (sp) on rare occasions when
issued by the Fight Surgeon when mission required.

Have a nice day and get a cold beer and popcorn and watch the Super
Bowel.

Big John



On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 04:06:52 -0500, Big Dave
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Big John wrote:

Tom

Hate to drop a brick on your foot, especially if you have it in your
mouth for being so equivocal.

I've see a number of individuals who drank from wake up to the time
their eyes closed for sleep at night.

You frequently defend pilots who habitually drink to excess. I would
not be surprised to find that you are a chronic alcoholic. Of course,
you'll deny everything here but that is neither here nor there. Most
alcoholics are in extreme denial anyway. As one with three alcoholics
in the family, one a retired airline pilot (my father), one dead (my
mother), and my brother being the third, your words and attitude are
all too familiar.

"Big John" wrote in message
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Have a nice day and get a cold beer and popcorn and watch the Super
Bowel.

As one who dislikes football, I'll drink to that.

Have a nice day and get a cold beer and popcorn and watch the Super
Bowel.

As one who dislikes football, I'll drink to that.

Lol - same here. What a fitting description!

I'm glad you both understood what I said. Every one will be gone
Monday thank God.

Big John



On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:44:01 -0500, "John Harlow"
wrote:


Have a nice day and get a cold beer and popcorn and watch the Super
Bowel.

As one who dislikes football, I'll drink to that.

Lol - same here. What a fitting description!

Big John wrote in message . ..
2. Your statement about night vision I take exception to. During my
tenure in the Air Defense Command (USAF) where we flew at night and in
bad Wx a lot, a study was commissioned and the results showed that an
ounce of alcohol would increase night acuity (and adaption) and reduce
accidents.

I'd be extremely interested in having a look at that
study. Can you tell me where to obtain a copy? Not
that I think it's what you intend here, but of course one
can prove any point by reference to mysterious studies
not available for general review.

Of course, it stands against the results of a number of
other studies which show that even a modest amount of
alcohol produces measureable impairment, not necessarily
of basic motor skills but of ability to divide attention,
judgement under stress, and so forth.

So some people might think, instead of "safety be damned"
the conclusion was more like "well it improves X but
Y suffers and Y is equally or more important".

Cheers,
Sydney