P-51 question.

wrote:

I don't know, but according to "Law Enforcement News" (December
2001)...

55,000: The number of NYPD personnel who will undergo mandatory
psychological counseling to address post-traumatic stress stemming
from the World Trade Center attack.

Well, there seems to be something diluting the pool in that figure.
The NYPD page says there are 39,110 members budgeted for in 2003.
They're hiring, so presumably there are fewer than that.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/misc/pdfaq2.html#41

-Mike (Kuwait has more soldiers than Canada does!) Marron

They need more, their neighbours are far less considerate than ours.

If only. If ONLY our neighbors were equally as considerate instead of
blaming us for the 9/11 attacks, refusing to support us in Iraq, etc.
etc.

"If only" what -- the U.S. were less considerate of Canada? Where
would that get them? Would it produce some advantage? I think not.

Primo, no one in a foreign policy-making position in Canada has blamed
the U.S. government for 11 September.

Secundo, politics in Canada, as in the U.S., is the art of the
possible. Chrétien and his cabinet could not sell the idea of
involvement in Iraq to the public other than with the sanction of the
U.N.

The criticism of U.S. policy in Canada is little different from the
widely held dissenting opinions in the U.S., although I admit those
are not in the majority in the U.S. It's really only a difference of
degree.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Andrew Chaplin wrote in message ...
Thomas Schoene wrote:

Andrew Chaplin wrote:

The U.S. bought de Havilland Beavers, Caribous and Buffalos, IIRC.
Now, that's not much, but it's a start.

There are also some Dash-7s in US service for the Army's Airborne
Reconnaissance--Light and Dash-8s as an Air Force range monitoring aircraft.

I did not know that. I am surprised they bothered with the -7, it does
not seem to be the value for the money that the -8 is. (I have a bias,
I chartered a -7 for a trip by the House of Commons fisheries
committee -- it got rained on in Charlottetown (CYYG) and went bloody
u/s!)

I'd suspect both money and timing influenced the choice of the 7. They
have actually been in service for many years now (from the very early
90's), with upgrades to sensor suites to keep them current. Since the
Army did not enter into RC-7 operations until well after Dash 7
production had ended, it is obvious that the aircraft were obtained
second-hand, and therefore cheaper than the still-in-production Dash 8
series. Not sure that performance entered into the equation; I found a
site listing Dash 8 max range as some 700 miles, but all I saw on the
RC-7 was a "7.5 hour max endurance".

Brooks

Kevin Brooks wrote:

I'd suspect both money and timing influenced the choice of the 7. They
have actually been in service for many years now (from the very early
90's), with upgrades to sensor suites to keep them current. Since the
Army did not enter into RC-7 operations until well after Dash 7
production had ended, it is obvious that the aircraft were obtained
second-hand, and therefore cheaper than the still-in-production Dash 8
series. Not sure that performance entered into the equation; I found a
site listing Dash 8 max range as some 700 miles, but all I saw on the
RC-7 was a "7.5 hour max endurance".

The Trash-8 in CF service as a navigation trainer is listed as having
a 2,400-Km range (about 1,500 statute miles). The -7 is now retired
and so they don't put up performance figures, but I do know ours could
not fly from Gander (CYQX) to Ottawa (CYOW) without refuelling (about
1,700 Km great circle) when carrying only 17 pax and five crew.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Hi Kevin and Andrew

The De Havilland of Canada Dash-8M (CT-142) has a range of 1,025 miles
with 20 pax onboard.

The Dash-7 (CC-132) only has a range of 795 miles with 50 pax onboard.

Cheers...Chris

av8r wrote:

Hi Kevin and Andrew

The De Havilland of Canada Dash-8M (CT-142) has a range of 1,025 miles
with 20 pax onboard.

Chris, any idea as to why there is a discrepancy between the figure
you posted and what is on the "airforce" web site? I presume yours
comes out of staff planning documents.
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/equip1j_e.htm
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Andrew Chaplin wrote in message ...
Kevin Brooks wrote:

I'd suspect both money and timing influenced the choice of the 7. They
have actually been in service for many years now (from the very early
90's), with upgrades to sensor suites to keep them current. Since the
Army did not enter into RC-7 operations until well after Dash 7
production had ended, it is obvious that the aircraft were obtained
second-hand, and therefore cheaper than the still-in-production Dash 8
series. Not sure that performance entered into the equation; I found a
site listing Dash 8 max range as some 700 miles, but all I saw on the
RC-7 was a "7.5 hour max endurance".

The Trash-8 in CF service as a navigation trainer is listed as having
a 2,400-Km range (about 1,500 statute miles). The -7 is now retired
and so they don't put up performance figures, but I do know ours could
not fly from Gander (CYQX) to Ottawa (CYOW) without refuelling (about
1,700 Km great circle) when carrying only 17 pax and five crew.

Thanks. Apparently money was the ruling factor, then (and that website
I found that listed a 700 mile range for the DASH 8 with 50 pax must
have been quite a bit off, as another poster has also pointed out...).

Brooks

"Ed Majden" wrote in message
. ca...

"Andrew Chaplin"
The U.S. bought de Havilland Beavers, Caribous and Buffalos, IIRC.
Now, that's not much, but it's a start.
--
Andrew Chaplin

That's true Andrew. They liked these STOLS so much, they even bought
the company! Boeing I think. I'm not sure who owns it now.


Bzzzt try again.

Bombardier bought DeHavilland. They also bought Lear and Short and Canadair
and others. Not a few orders from US carriers either.


James Linn

"James Linn"

Bzzzt try again.

Bombardier bought DeHavilland. They also bought Lear and Short and
Canadair
and others. Not a few orders from US carriers either.


James:
Boeing did in fact buy DeHaviland Canada Ltd. I guess they must have
sold it to Bombardier later. Can't remember the date Boeing bought it but
if you take the time to search the web you will find that this is true.
Ed

Andrew Chaplin wrote in message ...
Ed Majden wrote:

wrote in message
First you blame America for the demise of the AVRO CF-105 (because we
didn't subsidize YOUR aircraft industry) and now you blame the USA
for Canada's weaseling out of going to Iraq because we didn't get
the UN onboard
-Mike Marron

I just pointed out that one of the reasons the Arrow was cancelled was
that the USA would not buy it. Now lets look at the hard facts!

Canada bought: USA bought
F86
Banshee
T-33 ZIP
CF-104
CF-101
CF-5
CIM10B Bomarc
C130 Herc
CF-18
and others!

Now who is supporting who's aircraft industry!

The U.S. bought de Havilland Beavers, Caribous and Buffalos, IIRC.
Now, that's not much, but it's a start.

And some Twin Otters as well.

Brooks

"Ed Majden" wrote in message .ca...
wrote in message
First you blame America for the demise of the AVRO CF-105 (because we
didn't subsidize YOUR aircraft industry) and now you blame the USA
for Canada's weaseling out of going to Iraq because we didn't get
the UN onboard
-Mike Marron

I just pointed out that one of the reasons the Arrow was cancelled was
that the USA would not buy it. Now lets look at the hard facts!

Canada bought: USA bought
F86
Banshee
T-33 ZIP
CF-104
CF-101
CF-5
CIM10B Bomarc
C130 Herc
CF-18
and others!

Now who is supporting who's aircraft industry!

Uhmmm...did you notice that Canada's major programs over the past
thirty or more years have been commercial aircraft for a market
largely outside Canada? Do you *really* think Canada, with its paltry
defense budgets, can or even should be trying to develop major combat
aircraft? Your last effort there, the CF100, was sold to exactly how
many foreign air forces? One, IIRC (Belgium).

OTOH...you wonder who is supporting who's aircraft industry? From
Bombardiers own website:

"The Arlington, Virginia-based airline (US Air), seventh-largest in
the U.S., placed a firm order for sixty 50-seat CRJ200 and twenty-five
75-seat dual class CRJ700 Series 705 jets. The transaction also
includes rights for 90 re-confirmable orders plus 100 options. US
Airways could acquire up to 275 Bombardier CRJ aircraft under terms of
the contract, announced May 12, 2003."

That is just one airline--many others operate Bombardier products as
well.

A little swing through that website would show you that the US
purchases one heck of a lot of aircraft from Canada (even the
Department of Justice has a CRJ)--probably more than are sold in the
other direction?

Brooks