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"Matt Barrow" wrote:
http://www.investors.com/editorial/c...oon051507c.gif Agreed. There is not a single kernel of evidence to validate growing corn for the purpose of using the resulting alcohol as fuel. |
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:
http://www.investors.com/editorial/c...NS/toon051507c .gif Wouldn't that considered a corntoon ? |
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Ken Finney wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Ken Finney wrote: "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Ken Finney wrote: IF I ever get a plane, all these silly fuel issues would be a real irritant. I haven't been paying much attention to the new diesel aircraft engines becoming available. Since I should be making my own biodiesel by the end of this Summer (for something less than 45 cents a gallon), are any of the new diesels in the O-200/Rotax 912 class? You'll never get an STC to put it in a certified aircraft. Better start thinking experimental. I already am, but there an STC for diesels in 172s. Diesels and diesels running Freedom Fry grease are going to require two very different STCs. Robert posted a link to a outfit with a Biodiesel STC but I couldn't get the link to work. As much of the diesel fuel sold today as some biodiesel mixed with it, I'd hope that the engines being sold are certified for petrodiesel, biodiesel, and any combination thereof. "Freedom Fry grease" (aka WVO = waste vegetable oil or SVO = straight vegetable oil) is a different animal than biodiesel. Aren't most if not all of the certified diesel engines certified for JetA and not auto-diesel. |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Ken Finney wrote: "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Ken Finney wrote: "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Ken Finney wrote: IF I ever get a plane, all these silly fuel issues would be a real irritant. I haven't been paying much attention to the new diesel aircraft engines becoming available. Since I should be making my own biodiesel by the end of this Summer (for something less than 45 cents a gallon), are any of the new diesels in the O-200/Rotax 912 class? You'll never get an STC to put it in a certified aircraft. Better start thinking experimental. I already am, but there an STC for diesels in 172s. Diesels and diesels running Freedom Fry grease are going to require two very different STCs. Robert posted a link to a outfit with a Biodiesel STC but I couldn't get the link to work. As much of the diesel fuel sold today as some biodiesel mixed with it, I'd hope that the engines being sold are certified for petrodiesel, biodiesel, and any combination thereof. "Freedom Fry grease" (aka WVO = waste vegetable oil or SVO = straight vegetable oil) is a different animal than biodiesel. Aren't most if not all of the certified diesel engines certified for JetA and not auto-diesel. You are very likely correct. And since (I assume) JetA doesn't have low sulphur requirements, it probably doesn't contain any biodiesel. |
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"Steve Foley" wrote in message ... "orange" wrote in message news:x6N7i.4362$aW5.2739@trndny09... All of New England has 10% gasohol at the auto pump... However, it isn't blended in until it gets to this regon... so many aero clubs can still get batches of straight gas Greg Dwinell I just saw this on the EAA site: ETHANOL-FREE AUTOFUEL TO BE AVAILABLE AT THREE NEW ENGLAND AIRPORTS STARTING IN JUNE http://www.eaa.org/communications/ea..._autofuel.html And I'm sure it will cost way more to be processed less, kinda like that organic food.... |
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Jay Honeck wrote: I tried the Alka Seltzer trick on some denatured alcohol -- no result. It did not fizz!- Hide quoted text - You talking about "rubbing alcohol"? We tested it with that, and it worked for us. Fizzing, that is... ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- NO.... "rubbing alcohol" is_NOT_ denatured alcohol. It is Isopropyl. === Isopropyl "rubbing" alcohol smells nasty. Denatured alcohol smells sweet and temptingly drinkable. DANGER: both have poisons added - mandated by the FEDS. Gotta pay the liquor tax if you want alcohol that's 'safe' to drink. P.S. I'm still uncertain what you mean by... "worked for us". It would seem that neither would fizz without the presence of H20. - Barnyard BOb - |
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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message news snip I tried the Alka Seltzer trick on some denatured alcohol -- no result. It did not fizz! You know I've been wondering: Does the Alka Seltzer trick really check to see if alcohol is present? I'm no chemist, but I wonder if the Alka Seltzer is just reacting with the water that most alcohols will attract from the moisture in the air. How about it? Any chemists in the group? If the mogas were blended with alcohol with low water content, would the Alka Seltzer fizz at all? Maybe the best test is still the "line on the beaker" test. Regards, John Severyn KLVK (all mogas has alky in my area, making my STC no good at all) |
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Here it is.
Petersen Aviation, Inc., which like EAA provides autofuel supplementary type certificates (STC), reports it will begin distributing non-ethanol, 91-octane gasoline to three New England airports during the first week of June 2007. The airports include Minuteman Airport (6B6) in Stow, Massachusetts (978-897-3933); Plymouth Airport (PYM) in Plymouth, Massachusetts (508-746-2020); and Skylark Airport (7B6), East Windsor, Connecticut (860-623-8085). Only ethanol-blended gasoline has been available at New England service stations over the past several years. This has made it impossible for pilots who hold EAA and Petersen Aviation autogas STCs, or other aircraft that can use autofuel, including many light-sport aircraft and homebuilts, to find suitable fuel. But since automotive gasoline sold at airports for use in aircraft is considered “aviation” gasoline, it is exempt from oxygenated fuel requirements under the Federal Reformulated Gasoline (RFG) program. Therefore importing non-ethanol gasoline into regions such as New England is allowed. Peterson says the ethanol-free 91-octane gasoline will be certified to meet the specifications required by both Petersen and EAA STCs. mike "orange" wrote in message news:x6N7i.4362$aW5.2739@trndny09... All of New England has 10% gasohol at the auto pump... However, it isn't blended in until it gets to this regon... so many aero clubs can still get batches of straight gas Greg Dwinell |
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some out to Massachusetts, also.
\ How far are you from Hampton NH? Grass strip, Piper Cubs, New Standard biplane, splendid cafe (closes at 2pm), and clean mogas at the pump, $3.40 a gallon. I bought four gallons two months ago and haven't used it all yet. It's astonishing how far gasoline goes in small engines. (Well, okay, I don't mow my lawn any more. The clean mogas goes into the chain saw, generator, and snow blower.... My tractor runs fine on gasoline polluted with ethanol.) Blue skies! -- Dan Ford Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942 forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com |
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