Bullets raining from the sky (long)

Yes, and they went to the US military to help them with their little
going-away party for Koresh. They needed a compliant little snake in the
army. They found Wesley Clark. Boy, did his career skyrocket after that.
Reno and Clinton may have been abominations, but if you were their whore,
they paid well.

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:cYZ3g.10297$ZW3.1757@dukeread04...
Waco was a tragedy, it looked like the BATF was making a
COPS show with all the troops in the camera. It wasn't a
well planned raid if the Davidians were expected to be
dangerous. And if they weren't dangerous, why the raid? I
think they wanted a movie to show Congress why they needed
more money. After the BATF started the shooting, they had
to kill as many as possible and burn the evidence. Would
have been better if they had just let the Sheriff or Rangers
walk in and if Koresh was a child molester, try him for
that. But Janet Reno had her tanks.

Yeah, they could have had the local Sheriff arrest him while he was out
jogging in the morning, but noooooo, they had to provoke a confrontational
situation... Let's see... You got a group of people who believe that the
world is going to end and be taken over by some sort of ultra-repressive
government... Well, why don't we all dress up in black clothes and attack
them... Hell, they'll give up, right? snicker Yeah, Koresh was a kook,
but so are many of the religious fanatics... As religious kooks went, he
was
actually one of the more harmless ones...

Here is one from a long time ago, and don't forget the FBI
sniper in Idaho was also at Waco.


Fact Sheet: HR 666 In June of 1971, four BATF officers burst
into the home of Ken Ballew. The tragic events which
followed show clearly how renegade officers will always try
....
www.gunowners.org/fs9506.htm - 26k - Cached - Similar
pages


BATF: July 19, 1995 If you are able, list for them some of
the victims of BATF abuse: the women and children in Waco,
Harry and Theresa Lamplugh of Pennsylvania, Ken Ballew of
....
www.gunowners.org/ba9502.htm - 4k - Cached - Similar
pages


Class of 1974 BRUCE BARTON BAILEY · MARK WARREN BAKER ·
RICHARD FULTON BALLARD · WILLIAM W. BALLEW ... ARTHUR
MAURICE HERRMANN (deceased). KEN CARLYLE HICKS ...
wardbook.west-point.org/display_grad.cgi?class_id=1974
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[PDF] NEWSLETTER File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as
HTML
Our friend Ken Ballew is having serious health
problems. .. Bill Haney had cataract surgery on August 12th,
and is doing fine. Inside:. 2 Board Report ...
web.utk.edu/~tprather/FoothillsTractorClub/
newsletter/Vol11No08_Aug2003.pdf - Similar pages


'Not As Powerful As Many Might As First Believe', By Vin
Suprynowicz Go do a little reading about the raid that
crippled Air Force veteran Ken Ballew in Silver Spring,
Maryland, and how ATF agents went outside after they shot
....
www.ncc-1776.org/tle1996/le961105.html - 19k -
Cached - Similar pages


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The people think the Constitution protects their
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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and
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"LWG" wrote in message
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| Yes, and they went to the US military to help them with
their little
| going-away party for Koresh. They needed a compliant
little snake in the
| army. They found Wesley Clark. Boy, did his career
skyrocket after that.
| Reno and Clinton may have been abominations, but if you
were their whore,
| they paid well.
|
| "Grumman-581"
wrote in message
| ...
| "Jim Macklin"
wrote in message
| news:cYZ3g.10297$ZW3.1757@dukeread04...
| Waco was a tragedy, it looked like the BATF was making
a
| COPS show with all the troops in the camera. It wasn't
a
| well planned raid if the Davidians were expected to be
| dangerous. And if they weren't dangerous, why the
raid? I
| think they wanted a movie to show Congress why they
needed
| more money. After the BATF started the shooting, they
had
| to kill as many as possible and burn the evidence.
Would
| have been better if they had just let the Sheriff or
Rangers
| walk in and if Koresh was a child molester, try him for
| that. But Janet Reno had her tanks.
|
| Yeah, they could have had the local Sheriff arrest him
while he was out
| jogging in the morning, but noooooo, they had to provoke
a confrontational
| situation... Let's see... You got a group of people who
believe that the
| world is going to end and be taken over by some sort of
ultra-repressive
| government... Well, why don't we all dress up in black
clothes and attack
| them... Hell, they'll give up, right? snicker Yeah,
Koresh was a kook,
| but so are many of the religious fanatics... As
religious kooks went, he
| was
| actually one of the more harmless ones...
|
|
|
|

"karl gruber" wrote in message
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I bought a Ruger "77" in 220 Swift that same year, with the same
inscription.


Funny...my 10-22 (which I still have and my kids all learned with) says
"Made in the 200th Year of American Liberty" (not "Freedom")


Karl
It has been in my Cessna for the news group cops!


"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:cYZ3g.10297$ZW3.1757@dukeread04...
I bought a Mini 14 back in 1976 [stamped on the side."Made
in the 200th year of American Freedom"

"LWG" wrote in message
...
Yes, and they went to the US military to help them with their little
going-away party for Koresh. They needed a compliant little snake in the
army. They found Wesley Clark. Boy, did his career skyrocket after that.
Reno and Clinton may have been abominations, but if you were their whore,
they paid well.

Like Mary McCarthy?

"Equally interesting is her meteoric rise within the intelligence community.
According to her bio, she joined the CIA as an analyst in 1984. Within seven
years, she had rise to a Deputy NIO position, and reached full NIO status by
1994. To reach that level, she literally catapulted over dozens of more
senior officers--and I'm guessing that her political connections didn't
hurt. By comparison, I know a current NIO, with a resume and academic
credentials more impressive than Ms. McCarthy's, who reached the position
after more than 20 years of extraordinarily distinguished service.
McCarthy's rapid advancement speaks volumes about how the Clinton
Administration did business, and sheds new light on the intelligence
failures that set the stage for 9-11. We can only wonder how many other
political hacks climbed the intel food chain under Clinton--and remain in
place to this day. "

NOTE: An NIO is the military equivalent of a four-star general.
http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2006/04/leaker.html

I haven't had that rifle for at least a decade, you're
correct, LIBERTY.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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|
| "karl gruber" wrote in message
| ...
| I bought a Ruger "77" in 220 Swift that same year, with
the same
| inscription.
|
|
| Funny...my 10-22 (which I still have and my kids all
learned with) says
| "Made in the 200th Year of American Liberty" (not
"Freedom")
|
|
| Karl
| It has been in my Cessna for the news group cops!
|
|
| "Jim Macklin"
wrote in message
| news:cYZ3g.10297$ZW3.1757@dukeread04...
| I bought a Mini 14 back in 1976 [stamped on the
side."Made
| in the 200th year of American Freedom"
|
|

"Newps" wrote in message . ..


Matt Barrow wrote:



A 12ga is only good for about 50 yards at most, so you better get pretty close.



It is not a goal of coyote hunters to kill cleanly with one shot. If you simply wound the animal and he slinks off
and dies that is good enough.



At that, it would be intersting to see how a liot handles the recoil
while controlling the airplane.

He doesn't. The shooter sits in the back.



I would imagine a CAR-15 or Ruger Mini-14 is used quite a bit.

Only by the idiots. A shotgun is the way to go.



News you've obviously never hunted coyotes for the hides. And Matt, you've most likely never shot coyotes with a 3
1/2 inch Mossberg Ulti-Mag with 4 buck. I've killed "song dogs beyond 50 yards" calling them in with turkey calls.
The 22-250 Ackley is my weapon of choice for long range predator hunting. The bullet leaves a vapor trail on a humid
morning. A 4200 fps screamer.

Joe Schneider
Ruger Mini 14 Ranch rifle with legal 30 round clip
Bennelli and Mossberg 3 1/2 inch 12 gauges
Savage 22-250 Ackley Improved 110 V
Remington 22-250 varmit special
Thompsom Center Contender with a variety of barrels including 22 hornet.... need I go on?
Oh and a Cherokee 140



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"JJS" jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:



A 12ga is only good for about 50 yards at most, so you better get pretty
close.



It is not a goal of coyote hunters to kill cleanly with one shot. If you
simply wound the animal and he slinks off and dies that is good enough.



At that, it would be intersting to see how a liot handles the recoil
while controlling the airplane.

He doesn't. The shooter sits in the back.



I would imagine a CAR-15 or Ruger Mini-14 is used quite a bit.

Only by the idiots. A shotgun is the way to go.



News you've obviously never hunted coyotes for the hides. And Matt,
you've most likely never shot coyotes with a 3 1/2 inch Mossberg Ulti-Mag
with 4 buck. I've killed "song dogs beyond 50 yards" calling them in with
turkey calls.

Not from an ultralight aircraft, no. Too, virtually all of my shotgun
hunting is upland, not waterfowl.

The 22-250 Ackley is my weapon of choice for long range predator hunting.
The bullet leaves a vapor trail on a humid morning. A 4200 fps screamer.

I have used a .25-06 in a heavy barrel Win M70 (pre-64) using 87gr Sierras,
and have nailed several at approximately 600 yards.


Joe Schneider
Ruger Mini 14 Ranch rifle with legal 30 round clip
Bennelli and Mossberg 3 1/2 inch 12 gauges
Savage 22-250 Ackley Improved 110 V
Remington 22-250 varmit special
Thompsom Center Contender with a variety of barrels including 22
hornet.... need I go on?
Oh and a Cherokee 140

My .22-250 at present is a Savage M12-VSS with a Leupold Vari-X III
6.5-20x50mm LR Target which was tweaked by a local smithy. It's the only
vaminter I still have.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

You are undoubtedly correct. I haven't touched that rife in about a decade!

Karl
"Curator"


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...



Funny...my 10-22 (which I still have and my kids all learned with) says
"Made in the 200th Year of American Liberty" (not "Freedom")

Icebound wrote:

They have been doing it for years.

This topic comes up from time to time, and for me it always recalls this
particular report:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?...LA058& akey=1



Put a gun in the hand of a careless or stupid person and something will
eventually go wrong. Airplane or no airplane.

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My .22-250 at present is a Savage M12-VSS with a Leupold Vari-X III 6.5-20x50mm LR Target which was tweaked by a
local smithy. It's the only vaminter I still have.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO
Hey, That's what I have on the Ackley Improved!
600 yds. is very impressive with any combo.

Joe Schneider
N8437R




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