Busting airspace question

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:33:10 -0500, Peter Dohm wrote:

You flatter yourself needlessly.

Damn... there goes another keyboard.

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Dallas

"Dallas" wrote in message
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"NW_Pilot"
Yea, I agree 30 days of no flying or pay an attorney thousands of dollars
take time to go to court etc.? I'd take the 30 days!

I wonder how much help the AOPA's Legal Services Plan would give you to
fight a 30 day suspension?


Dallas


Not sure hope I am never in that situation!!!

In article ,
Newps wrote:

Like I said, spoken like a sim pilot. No grip on reality.

play a game isn't being a pilot.

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Richard Riley wrote:
I was in that situation.

Me, too!

Flying home on my first solo cross country, I had flight following
direct me to transit the Los Angeles class B.

The same with me - coming home from my first solo cross country, on my way
to an airport underneath the New York class B shelf, I was cleared into
the Bravo without asking for it. I thought about rejecting it, but since
I was given descent at my discretion, I just descended below the shelf
before I got there.

.... Alan
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Alan Gerber
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Newps wrote:
If a controller fails to tell a landing pilot that the runway for
which he has been cleared still is occupied by another aircraft, has
the controller done anything wrong?

No, that's called anticipated separation. The runway does not need to
be clear of traffic before the next one is cleared to land.

I've been cleared #4 to land on occasion. That doesn't even *count* the
aircraft that's still on the runway. (Of course, being cleared #4 does
imply that there will be other aircraft on the runway before you land, but
even when cleared without any other traffic, they don't mention anybody
who's actually on the runway, in anticipation of them being clear in
time.)

Of course, occasionally the anticipated separation doesn't materialize. I
had to go around once or twice because of that. I think one might have
even been on my first solo.

.... Alan
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Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
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None of our students at my FBO (to my knowledge) have broke the Bravo but we
DID have a student who busted Class Charlie and the FAA had a long,
drawn-out talk with them.

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On Feb 3, 12:04 pm, "Dallas" wrote:
"NW_Pilot"

Yea, I agree 30 days of no flying or pay an attorney thousands of dollars
take time to go to court etc.? I'd take the 30 days!

I wonder how much help the AOPA's Legal Services Plan would give you to
fight a 30 day suspension?

Dallas

Dallas,
The AOPA Legal Services Plan pretty much blows.I would not count on
ANY help from them.
Now of course you are going to ask me how I know this.Years ago I had
an issue come up so I called the AOPA plan (I was a subscriber at the
time), and the only person I could talk to was a legal aid.This guy
told me that I was screwed, and that I was probably going to face a
revocation, AND that AOPA could not help me.
Fortunatly, A top aviation laywer lived in my state at the time (what
is interesting is that she, and several other aviation attorneys
dropped out of the AOPA plan for non payment) so I called and told her
the same story that I told the AOPA jerk off.She just laughed and told
me not to worry.She solved my problem with a phone call and a follow
up letter and billed me for half of an hour.
The sad part of this is that my story is not unique.Your AOPA Legal
Services Plan is not worth the paper it is printed on.
KM

How does ATC prove that someone has entered Bravo airspace?
Radar

While true, radar doesn't seem up to the task for a clip. The three
radar tracks of the Cirrus crash over the East River in NY differ by
enough to convince me that radar could easily indict somebody who was
actually outside the airspace.

Jose
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Jose wrote:
How does ATC prove that someone has entered Bravo airspace?
Radar

While true, radar doesn't seem up to the task for a clip. The three
radar tracks of the Cirrus crash over the East River in NY differ by
enough to convince me that radar could easily indict somebody who was
actually outside the airspace.

Jose

Are you talking about the tracks you and many of us saw via online services
or honest to God FAA radar tracks?

Are you talking about the tracks you and many of us saw via online services
or honest to God FAA radar tracks?

I'm talking about the tracks I saw on the web. I presume these are FAA
radar tracks. They (allegedly) came from the Newark tower, the LGA
tower and the JFK tower, or something like that - three separate nearby
radar facilities.

Jose
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