Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:16:23 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Chinese is a special case because the spoken versions of Chinese are mutually
incomprehensible; they are completely different. At the same time, the
written versions are generally coherent.

My daughter took Chinese at university. She knew she was in trouble
when she looked at the lad beside her and saw that he was taking notes
in ideograms.

Though he had a huge advantage, in that he knew both the tones and the
ideograms, he was from San Francisco and therefore had learned
Cantonese, not the Mandarin taught at university.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com

In article ,
says...



You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.


This guy is unbelievable!
What's that riddle about the two brothers - one always lies and the other
always tells the truth? You have to devise a question to ask both to determine
who is the liar.

This guy is so consistently wrong about everything he says that one can
determine the truth from it!! If he makes a statement, you can be relatively
certain the opposite is true . . .

Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net writes:

Most tests are, unless they are intended for folks who can't read.
(Putting round pegs into round holes would be non-verbal. Checking off
"round hole" to the question "which hole does this peg go into?" is
verbal.)

But perhaps you meant "oral"?

I was simply using the same term CNN used. I don't know exactly what they
might have meant by it, but I presume they meant oral.

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Plus, Anthony, 4 words. Common. Traffic. Advisory. Frequency.

CTAF is not ATC.

It doesn't need to be. Your exact quote:

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other
than ATC, so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency,
there is a problem.

On the CTAF, you need to be able to be in communication with
everyone other than ATC, (meaning, hearing other pilots on frequency).
If you don't, there is a problem.

Threaded newsreaders, as well as USENET archives, are so fun
and easy to abuse.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

On the CTAF, you need to be able to be in communication with
everyone other than ATC, (meaning, hearing other pilots on frequency).

CTAF is not an ATC frequency.

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

On the CTAF, you need to be able to be in communication with
everyone other than ATC, (meaning, hearing other pilots on frequency).

CTAF is not an ATC frequency.

http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scan...o/govtuse.html

- --snip--
Aeronautical mobile service spectrum requirements are accommodated
mostly in the HF (3-23 MHz) and VHF (117.975-137 MHz) portion of the radio
spectrum. The VHF band provides the primary communications mode for Air
Traffic Service (ATS) and Aeronautical Operational Control (AOC) safety
communications for all areas of the world where radio line-of-sight
services can be established. In the United States, this band is used by
Federal Aviation Administration to provide ATS safety communications and
by users such as, the airlines, business aviation, and general aviation to
provide AOC safety communications.
- --snip--

This covers all frequencies reserved for air traffic and
control of such traffic, and implies that any of such frequencies can
and may be used for *air traffic control*. Furthermo

- --snip--
Each communications frequency is re-used as often as possible (due to the
fixed number of available frequencies) so that continuous coverage can be
established to support air traffic control systems.
- --snip--

You will find that all CTAFs for various fields are within the
above VHF range for such coverage for ATC systems. You will also find
that most CTAF frequencies at fields that close for the night also are
the Tower frequency for that field.

In short, you are wrong. But I'm pretty sure you will argue
that the information on that page is wrong, just like you do everything
else in this world. Oh, btw.. Humidity was 30% in Oklahoma City today,
and guess what.. it didn't rain!

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

On the CTAF, you need to be able to be in communication with
everyone other than ATC, (meaning, hearing other pilots on frequency).

CTAF is not an ATC frequency.


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Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
Dallas writes:

About 1/4 of the Dallas cable TV channels are in Spanish.

As hard as it may be for residents of the city to accept, there is
more to the world outside of Dallas.

Well, there is at least one thing NOT outside the Dallas area. The Dallas
cable TV system.

On Jun 30, 12:56 pm, Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote:
Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): "Because
you lost the bloody war."

My son-in-law (who is English) tells this story:

A German in an AWACS over Afghanistan picks up a call from a boat in
the Bay of Bengal: "I'm sinking! I'm sinking!"

To which the controller replied in an interested voice: "And vat are
you sinking about?"

That's a commercial for a European company that does English
instruction. There is another one that is really funny too. A family
(mom, dad, teens) are sitting in a car and turn on an English radio
station. The song goes something like "I want to do you up the $@#".
The whole family is singing along having a great time. The caption
reads something like "Time to learn English". ;: ! Some of the
funniest commercials you've ever seen. I think the company is called
Beritz and is in Germany.

-Robert

On Jul 2, 2:37 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Jun 30, 12:56 pm, Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote:

Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): "Because
you lost the bloody war."

My son-in-law (who is English) tells this story:

A German in an AWACS over Afghanistan picks up a call from a boat in
the Bay of Bengal: "I'm sinking! I'm sinking!"

To which the controller replied in an interested voice: "And vat are
you sinking about?"

That's a commercial for a European company that does English
instruction. There is another one that is really funny too. A family
(mom, dad, teens) are sitting in a car and turn on an English radio
station. The song goes something like "I want to do you up the $@#".
The whole family is singing along having a great time. The caption
reads something like "Time to learn English". ;: ! Some of the
funniest commercials you've ever seen. I think the company is called
Beritz and is in Germany.

-Robert

Here they are
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IuSELsBd6h4 (explicit lyrics but really
funny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKPSsz_kyCc&NR=1 (funny and ok for the
kids)

-Robert