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  #71  
Old March 5th 07, 12:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Dohm
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Default Taking the pledge

Nope, you missed number 1. No responses to MX, and no XXX will be
needed.


_I_ won't respond to him, doesn't mean the rest of you lot will follow

the
same rules. In such case, identify, if you please.


It won't work, under those conditions. It has to be total, from everyone.

What you are saying is like saying I quit smoking cigarettes, but it is ok
if I still smoke cigars.

The oath is for those who will quit posting, not for those that are going

to
continue.

Hopefully, everyone will take it.
--
Jim in NC


In principle, I agree completely. In practice, however, I believe that the
use of the identifier will be most helpfull. As more and more people are
able to filter the troubling part of the conversations, they will diminish
and dissappear.

Try to think of it as a cyber version of Nicarette. (sp?)

Peter :-)


  #72  
Old March 5th 07, 12:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Dohm
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Default Taking the pledge

immediatly issues a usenet message cancel based
upon said users name and the newly posted subject?


Cancels no longer are honored by many Usenet hosts so it would be an

exercise
in futility.

--
Peter

Unfortunately that is very true, I have tried without success to cancel a
couple of incomplete messages after I pressed "send" without proof
reading...

Peter


  #73  
Old March 5th 07, 12:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Dohm
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Default Taking the pledge

I am not part of the big 8... but it certainly does work. Or, at least
used to work. I have only tried it on my own posts, so I am not sure
about thrid party cancels... I see no reason it shouldn't work.


read http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cancel-faq/part1/
and you need newsservers honoring your cancel messages ...

your best way is ignoring/filtering on your (client) side.

True. And if any poster cannot resist replying to someone who he regards as
a troll, PLEASE identify your response so that others can filter his
responses as well...

Peter


  #74  
Old March 5th 07, 01:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Dohm
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Default Taking the pledge

I have only tried it on my own posts, so I am not sure
about thrid party cancels... I see no reason it shouldn't work.


To suggest fraudulently canceling message is irresponsible, and
contrary to EVERY Usenet providers Use Agreement. It will, or should,
get your Usenet account terminated.


This is possibly trivial, since there is some question whether any providers
still allow third party cancellations--except by the moderator of a
moderated group. My ISP does not appear to accept even first party
cancellations so I doubt they accept anything else.

Peter


  #75  
Old March 5th 07, 01:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Judah
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Default Taking the pledge

"Viperdoc" wrote in
:

The problem with your pledge drive is that some naive or altruistic
individual will always provide an answer, and therefore validate his
existence.


I would tend to agree... No matter how many of the regulars seem to ignore
him, someone always chimes in. (sometimes even me)

However, I agree to try, although insults and sarcastic comments at
least provide a measure of self satisfaction that are absent when he is
just ignored. Besides, his posts dominate the group, and are nearly
impossible to ignore anyway.


I think the insults and sarcasm only fuel his fire. I'm not certain whether
it's the satisfaction of knowing that he has pushed someone's buttons and set
them off, or it's the challenge that it presents to him to convince the
insulter that he is right...
  #76  
Old March 5th 07, 01:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
601XL Builder
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Default Taking the pledge

Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I'm in.
  #77  
Old March 5th 07, 04:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Gene Seibel
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Default Taking the pledge

On Mar 3, 10:49 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


I have no problem ignoring MX's posts - if I want to.

I have no problem ignoring the dozens whining about his posts - if I
want to.

I have no problem ignoring the dozens who think their approach is
better - if I want to.

I have no problem ignoring the 90% of the posts on this group that are
of no interest to me.

Before everyone starts thinking how all-fired important it is what
they think and what goes on here, it might be good to realize that
probably 700,000 + pilots in this country don't even know this group
exists and they get along just fine.

I only pledge to keep flying.
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.


  #78  
Old March 5th 07, 04:18 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jose
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Default MXB Taking the pledge

Try very hard not to answer; but if you must, use the identifier.

The identifier I'd like to see put into play is
MXB
It stands for "Mx bashing". If your post pertains to bashing (or not
bashing) Mx, the prepend would allow us to skip it. That's what the
real problem (IMEO) is.

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
  #79  
Old March 5th 07, 12:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Default Taking the pledge

Well put, Larry. For once, we are in total agreement.

That's because it's difficult to refute the truth.


And, for once, you've stated it.

Twice, now, actually!

ducking!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

  #80  
Old March 5th 07, 12:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Default Taking the pledge

It's already happened.

So, what does this unraveling look like?


The Midwest in winter...

I'm glad to have someone to blame.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

 




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