interesting moment yesterday on final

"Denny" wrote in message
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We have had endless discussion of 91.126 before... Taken literally
you cannot even perform a RH 45 degree entry to the downwind leg
unless you are outside the airport traffic area (5 statute miles),
can't do instrument approaches with a miss at the MAP, can't do engine
out training on the upwind side of the runway, and so on...


Nothing in 91.126 precludes a miss at the MAP.

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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An aircraft on final has the right-of-way, big jet or 150.


Not if he is 5 mile out!


Distance doesn't matter. If right-of-way is an issue the aircraft on final
has the right-of-way.

It appears you interpret "right-of-way" to mean "the next aircraft to land".
That's not what it means. Right-of-way rules come into play only if the
aircraft concerned would otherwise occupy the same piece of sky, or nearly
so. If you're on downwind when another similar aircraft announces a long
straight-in you should be well in front of him and right-of-way shouldn't be
an issue. If it's a faster aircraft then right-of-way may well be an issue
so you'll have to extend your downwind to follow him.



I prefer the overhead approach, so I can
determine the least disruptive arrival. You approach at pattern
altitude, down the runway, check for traffic on downwind and break to
the downwind. That way, you are not charging into traffic turning base
to final, while you are watching for the airspeed to diminish to drop
the gear, wait for "gear safe" and set up landing. IMHO, the straight in
ranks among the "least preferred" of approaches.


There's nothing inherently wrong with a straight in approach, it is often
the safest. The problem is many pilots that believe a full pattern should
always be flown don't properly scan for traffic.

The CFI claimed that LNN was an exception, and
that there was no established pattern.

I'd like to see where he got that idea.

Jose
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Recently, John Godwin posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote in
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Where is that established? Apparently, you are aware of something
that the CFIs and other pilots based at LNN don't know. While most
of the time people fly left traffic, it certainly isn't what
happens all of the time.

Me thinks the CFIs there should check the AIM. Although they're not
regulatory, they show good operating practices. Does the airport
have a segmented circle?

No. That detail was one of the rationales used by the CFI to make the
claim.

Neil

Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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That was my presumption, as well, until my last flight review. It
puzzled me as to why aircraft can execute right traffic at this
airport (not all that infrequently, either). The CFI claimed that
LNN was an exception, and that there was no established pattern. My
BFR happens to be due this month, so maybe I'll ask another CFI. ;-)


Find another CFI, preferably at another school.

If it was only a particular CFI or a school, we wouldn't be discussing it.
I fly left traffic there, as do most pilots. Most is not all.

Neil

Recently, Jose posted:

The CFI claimed that LNN was an exception, and
that there was no established pattern.

I'd like to see where he got that idea.

He's not alone. But, it's not the CFI that make me curious... it's the
traffic that comes in flying right patterns. Not a problem, but you have
to keep your scan going.

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in news:nHOZh.4712$uJ6.3886
@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net:

No. That detail was one of the rationales used by the CFI to make the
claim.

That being the case, it should be left taffic.

Neil Gould wrote:

Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:


"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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Look up Lost Nation Municipal airport (LNN). There is only a pattern
altitude. Direction is up to the pilot.


That's not correct. When approaching to land LNN each pilot of an
airplane must make all turns of that airplane to the left .


Where is that established? Apparently, you are aware of something that the
CFIs and other pilots based at LNN don't know. While most of the time
people fly left traffic, it certainly isn't what happens all of the time.

Neil


Ground school again. If a traffic pattern is not established, it is
always to the left.

Erik wrote:

Ground school again. If a traffic pattern is not established, it is
always to the left.


I should have read the other posts before barfing this out.

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I guess that depends on your definition of "properly". (Oh, Mr.
Hotshot wants to come in, and he's too important to join the circle
properly, like the rest of us. Better get out of his way!)

Having seen this discussion numerous other places, I conclude that it
will never be "settled".


I think you're right about that. There will always be those that believe
aircraft flying a full pattern have the right-of-way.