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"RST Engineering" wrote in message . Jim..... You were mighty quick to jump onto BT's answer, and here you are also picking at Slick's post. Just for the sake of accuracy, could you clarify a couple of points for me? 1. You officiously quibbled over Slick's use of the term "stick time" - a common item of aviation slang - but then you refer to some aircraft called a "traumahawk". I've not heard of this model, and I knw you're not the kind of guy to use slng terms - could you expand, please? 2. Could you please explain when the FAA started issuing "private ratings"? I've not heard of any term like this in my near forty years in aviation - except from some few folk who bandy terms about without really knowing whereof they speak. But you seem such a knowledgable fellow, I don't think you'd be in that sub-group, do you? Please clarify. |
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Dumb Reg question
I've only ever flown Cessna products and I've come across an area I'm not
sure about. I have my private and I have flow 150/2 and 172's since I starting my training. Now I might partner up with a guy in a Tomahawk next weekend for a tour across the state. I don't have any formal training in any Piper products, will I be allowed to log any stick time? I don't recall exactly how the regs layout type certification. Do I have to be signed off and have logged instruction to be PIC in the Tomahawk? Also if I only had time in a 150, would I have to have instruction in a 152 before I could log PIC? One last question, If I fly simulated instrument with a safety pilot, does the safety pilot have to sign my logbook? Thanks to everyone for your help and response. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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No Dumb Questions.. just hard to interpret Regs..
You are qualified for Airplane Single Engine Land... a Tomahawk is an Airplane Single Engine Land.. any time you have hands on stick.. that is PIC.. as far as the FAA is concerned.. you don't need a specific sign off.. the insurance companies or rental FBO may have other ideas... specific make and model sign offs are insurance company requirements.. If you are under the hood and have a rated pilot acting as a safety pilot, then all you need is his name.. any time you are flying with hands on stick, with or without the hood, you are PIC, any time you are under the hood, he may log PIC (acting pic) even though he may never touch the stick. BT "Slick" wrote in message ... I've only ever flown Cessna products and I've come across an area I'm not sure about. I have my private and I have flow 150/2 and 172's since I starting my training. Now I might partner up with a guy in a Tomahawk next weekend for a tour across the state. I don't have any formal training in any Piper products, will I be allowed to log any stick time? I don't recall exactly how the regs layout type certification. Do I have to be signed off and have logged instruction to be PIC in the Tomahawk? Also if I only had time in a 150, would I have to have instruction in a 152 before I could log PIC? One last question, If I fly simulated instrument with a safety pilot, does the safety pilot have to sign my logbook? Thanks to everyone for your help and response. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Slick" wrote in message ... I've only ever flown Cessna products and I've come across an area I'm not sure about. I have my private and I have flow 150/2 and 172's since I starting my training. Now I might partner up with a guy in a Tomahawk next weekend for a tour across the state. I don't have any formal training in any Piper products, will I be allowed to log any stick time? 1. There is no definition of "stick time". I'm presuming you mean "can I log any Pilot In Command Time". 2. Your private rating is undoubtably "airplane single engine land (ASEL)", which means that you can fly ANY airplane (not glider or helicopter or...) with a single engine (no twins or Ford trimotors) that was intended to fly from a solid earth surface (no seaplanes) with no further instruction or formal endorsement necessary...with a few exceptions: a. Aircraft weighing 12,500 pounds or over at maximum gross certificated takeoff weight or aircraft powered by a turbojet engine require a type rating in addition to the ASEL certificate. b. Aircraft classified as "complex" (retractable gear, flaps, and variable pitch prop) need an additional endorsement. c. Aircraft classified as "high performance" (engines greater than 200 horsepower) need an .... d. Aircraft classified as "high altitude" (service ceiling above 25,000' MSL) need an ..... e. Aircraft with a "type certificate required" on the manufacturer's type certificate (extremely rare) need an .... f. Aircraft with tailwheel style landing gear need an .... (Look in your book of regulations, read section 61.31 carefully and you will find all these requirements and the exact legalese of what they say.) Examining the Traumahawk, you will find that sections a through f of this reply do not apply, so no further legal requirements are required for you to hop into the airplane and blast off into the wild blue. HAVING SAID THIS, you will note that I said "legal" requirements. Hopping into a totally unfamiliar aircraft with no introductory training is (a) not clever and (b) will void most insurance policies. Whoever owns the aircraft (either your friend or the FBO that is renting the aircraft) will have something to say about who flies it and how much training is required. Jim I don't recall exactly how the regs layout type certification. Do I have to be signed off and have logged instruction to be PIC in the Tomahawk? Also if I only had time in a 150, would I have to have instruction in a 152 before I could log PIC? One last question, If I fly simulated instrument with a safety pilot, does the safety pilot have to sign my logbook? Thanks to everyone for your help and response. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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I count six errors in this answer. Can anybody count more?
Jim "BTIZ" wrote in message news:Z4Oce.113$fI.16@fed1read05... No Dumb Questions.. just hard to interpret Regs.. You are qualified for Airplane Single Engine Land... a Tomahawk is an Airplane Single Engine Land.. any time you have hands on stick.. that is PIC.. as far as the FAA is concerned.. you don't need a specific sign off.. the insurance companies or rental FBO may have other ideas... specific make and model sign offs are insurance company requirements.. If you are under the hood and have a rated pilot acting as a safety pilot, then all you need is his name.. any time you are flying with hands on stick, with or without the hood, you are PIC, any time you are under the hood, he may log PIC (acting pic) even though he may never touch the stick. BT |
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Thank you very much.
"BTIZ" wrote in message news:Z4Oce.113$fI.16@fed1read05... No Dumb Questions.. just hard to interpret Regs.. You are qualified for Airplane Single Engine Land... a Tomahawk is an Airplane Single Engine Land.. any time you have hands on stick.. that is PIC.. as far as the FAA is concerned.. you don't need a specific sign off.. the insurance companies or rental FBO may have other ideas... specific make and model sign offs are insurance company requirements.. If you are under the hood and have a rated pilot acting as a safety pilot, then all you need is his name.. any time you are flying with hands on stick, with or without the hood, you are PIC, any time you are under the hood, he may log PIC (acting pic) even though he may never touch the stick. BT "Slick" wrote in message ... I've only ever flown Cessna products and I've come across an area I'm not sure about. I have my private and I have flow 150/2 and 172's since I starting my training. Now I might partner up with a guy in a Tomahawk next weekend for a tour across the state. I don't have any formal training in any Piper products, will I be allowed to log any stick time? I don't recall exactly how the regs layout type certification. Do I have to be signed off and have logged instruction to be PIC in the Tomahawk? Also if I only had time in a 150, would I have to have instruction in a 152 before I could log PIC? One last question, If I fly simulated instrument with a safety pilot, does the safety pilot have to sign my logbook? Thanks to everyone for your help and response. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
... I count six errors in this answer. Can anybody count more? What? Too chicken to actually post what you think are the errors, in fear someone might reply to your post, writing "I count seven errors in this answer. Can anybody count more?" Chicken. If you think he got something wrong, say what you think it is. You're acting like a politician already. |
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any time you are flying with hands on stick, with or without the hood, you
are PIC, any time you are under the hood, he may log PIC (acting pic) even though he may never touch the stick. Not quite. You -are- PIC when you are the final authority on the conduct of the flight (and are so qualified). You -may- -log- PIC if you are appropriately rated and are sole manipulator (your hands unaided on the stick). Yes, two people can -log- PIC, but only one can -be- PIC. Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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d. Aircraft classified as "high altitude" (service ceiling above
25,000' MSL) need an ..... New one on me. If the airplane is capable of high altitude, you need an endorsement even if you only ground-hop it? Got a reg # I could look up? Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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d. Aircraft classified as "high altitude" (service ceiling above 25,000' MSL) need an .....
New one on me. If the airplane is capable of high altitude, you need an endorsement even if you only ground-hop it? Got a reg # I could look up? Never mind, I found it. "pressurized". Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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