Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president

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(William Black) wrote:

He's one of the bad guys who managed, like a couple of others, to
fool the US into thinking he was on their side.

"Fool" may be overstating it. The decision may well have been "defining
him as being on our side is better than the opposite, since that would
mean the other guys have nuclear weapons." Of course, that's a bit
nuanced for the US Administration to explain internally, let alone to
the media.

--
John Dallman, , HTML mail is treated as probable spam.

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You are displaying the legendary contempt and ignorance for other
cultures
often shown by your countrymen when travelling abroad.

As opposed to the understanding and acceptance the English show...

These days the Brits just get ****ed and fall over, or get arrested for
drunkenness.

But, as a general rule, they are aware of the local culture.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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Pointing out that shooting weapons into the air in an area with
insugents around is a bad idea is blaming the victims ?

If you're dropping bombs on weddings the implication is thst there's
nobody
on the ground shouting 'don't shoot, it's a wedding'.

If your shooting into the air with aircraft around the implication is
you are trying to hit somebody.

Or celebrating something...


In that case they're not insurgents, they're the local government...

Before they were just innocent civvilians, why the change ?


Is English not your native language?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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"Zombywoof" wrote in message
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Perhaps one day they will simply Nuke each other & be done with it.

Except the Pakistanis can't hit anything south of Delhi.

Which means that they can't hit the huge Indian bases in Maharashtra and
Goa, which means they're stuffed, and, chances are, India gets
reunified...


They can't hit those bases with normal means of delivery.


They can't hit them with nukes.

Going on past performance they may drop a few iron bombs and kill a few
civilians, but they won't do any serious damage to the military
infrastructure.

They did try in the past, my wife remembers doing air raid drills in Bombay
in the 1965 war (which had some tank battles worth reading up on for people
with an exaggerated view of Pakistani military capabilities) ,but these days
India is much stronger militarily than it was and Pakistan is weakened in a
conventional conflict by having its elite units optimised for fighting in
the NWF against terrorists.

Unlike Pakistan, the Indian army tends not to train units specially for
anti-terrorist work but follows the British model of using ordinary soldiers
for 'security duties' (wandering about and being seen) and a few small
specialist units to do the dirty work.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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Pointing out that shooting weapons into the air in an area with
insugents around is a bad idea is blaming the victims ?

If you're dropping bombs on weddings the implication is thst there's
nobody
on the ground shouting 'don't shoot, it's a wedding'.

If your shooting into the air with aircraft around the implication is
you are trying to hit somebody.

Or celebrating something...

Would you care to be in the aircraft at night and have to make the
decision ?



In that case they're not insurgents, they're the local government...

Before they were just innocent civvilians, why the change ?


Is English not your native language?

I accept your surrender.

--

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.

The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.

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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

You are displaying the legendary contempt and ignorance for other
cultures
often shown by your countrymen when travelling abroad.

As opposed to the understanding and acceptance the English show...

These days the Brits just get ****ed and fall over, or get arrested for
drunkenness.

But, as a general rule, they are aware of the local culture.

After 500 years I'd hope so.


--

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.

The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.

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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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"Zombywoof" wrote in message
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Perhaps one day they will simply Nuke each other & be done with it.

Except the Pakistanis can't hit anything south of Delhi.

Which means that they can't hit the huge Indian bases in Maharashtra and
Goa, which means they're stuffed, and, chances are, India gets
reunified...


They can't hit those bases with normal means of delivery.


They can't hit them with nukes.

IIRC Goa is a major seaport.
Should be easy to get one there.



Going on past performance they may drop a few iron bombs and kill a few
civilians, but they won't do any serious damage to the military
infrastructure.

They did try in the past, my wife remembers doing air raid drills in Bombay
in the 1965 war (which had some tank battles worth reading up on for people
with an exaggerated view of Pakistani military capabilities) ,but these days
India is much stronger militarily than it was and Pakistan is weakened in a
conventional conflict by having its elite units optimised for fighting in
the NWF against terrorists.

Unlike Pakistan, the Indian army tends not to train units specially for
anti-terrorist work but follows the British model of using ordinary soldiers
for 'security duties' (wandering about and being seen) and a few small
specialist units to do the dirty work.



--

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.

The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.

"tankfixer" wrote in message
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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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Pointing out that shooting weapons into the air in an area with
insugents around is a bad idea is blaming the victims ?

If you're dropping bombs on weddings the implication is thst there's
nobody
on the ground shouting 'don't shoot, it's a wedding'.

If your shooting into the air with aircraft around the implication is
you are trying to hit somebody.

Or celebrating something...

Would you care to be in the aircraft at night and have to make the
decision ?


There are 2 issues here.

The first is, the bombing(s) of a wedding party was a terrible error.
Given. The Americans don't bomb innocent civilians intentionally.

The second issue is, that doesn't make the people - Pakistanis - like you
more, even when they know that.

- nilita

In article NBMpk.8108$nu6.4118@edtnps83,
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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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says...

"tankfixer" wrote in message
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Pointing out that shooting weapons into the air in an area with
insugents around is a bad idea is blaming the victims ?

If you're dropping bombs on weddings the implication is thst there's
nobody
on the ground shouting 'don't shoot, it's a wedding'.

If your shooting into the air with aircraft around the implication is
you are trying to hit somebody.

Or celebrating something...

Would you care to be in the aircraft at night and have to make the
decision ?


There are 2 issues here.

The first is, the bombing(s) of a wedding party was a terrible error.
Given. The Americans don't bomb innocent civilians intentionally.

Our friend has been claiming it is policy.
A most absurd statement IMHO.



The second issue is, that doesn't make the people - Pakistanis - like you
more, even when they know that.

I'd imagine it wouldn't make anyone happy.

I've yet to see a solution suggested though.


--

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.

The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.

"tankfixer" wrote in message
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In article NBMpk.8108$nu6.4118@edtnps83,
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"tankfixer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"tankfixer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"tankfixer" wrote in message
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Pointing out that shooting weapons into the air in an area with
insugents around is a bad idea is blaming the victims ?

If you're dropping bombs on weddings the implication is thst
there's
nobody
on the ground shouting 'don't shoot, it's a wedding'.

If your shooting into the air with aircraft around the implication
is
you are trying to hit somebody.

Or celebrating something...

Would you care to be in the aircraft at night and have to make the
decision ?


There are 2 issues here.

The first is, the bombing(s) of a wedding party was a terrible error.
Given. The Americans don't bomb innocent civilians intentionally.

Our friend has been claiming it is policy.
A most absurd statement IMHO.



It is indeed an absurd statement.




The second issue is, that doesn't make the people - Pakistanis - like
you
more, even when they know that.

I'd imagine it wouldn't make anyone happy.

I've yet to see a solution suggested though.


A solution to ... what?

Here's the deal. It is what it is. American foreign policy gets instituted
and we get into the cause-and-effect thingy. Americans generally don't have
a good idea as to how they are perceived by "furriners". I imagine most
Americans don't care or would tend to think that the "furriner" thinking is
wrong. Generally speaking, the Pakistanis hate you. However, most
(conservative) Americans would like to believe that they ("the Pakis") are
all lining up for Green Cards to run 7/11s in Michigan.

Is it any wonder the world is in the state it is?

- nilita