My Annual

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Any comments or suggestions as to which course of action is better?

I've always felt that repairing my cylinder was the way to go, but I'm not sure
I'm right. I had to do one of the cylinders in my old 150 twice in less than two
hundred hours time. I've just always felt uneasy about swapping mine for someone
else's repair job.

These days I might opt for new from an outfit like Superior.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

I do wonder if we are mis-understanding each other. The inspection i'm
trying to describe was according to the A&P an optional inspection, and
a new one. He's normally on the ball.

No, I don't think so. It is impossible to do the inspection on that AD
without seeing the whole attach bracket. If your mechanic wants to do a dye
penetrant check, that is between you and (s)he.


Yes, technically you are right. However, almost everyone describes the
inspection and the repair as "the annual".

That is because over the years, shops have conditioned the owners to
thinking that the "annual" (which is nowhere defined WITHOUT the word
"inspection" attached) is the time to cover the owner's vacation in Hawaii
with a bit put aside for the kid's college fund. It would appear that you
have been so conditioned.



And this is a useful bit of
speach.

Useful bit of speech for WHO?


And you've already made this point several times over the
years.

And I will continue to make it.


And if you really want to be technical, I didn't say "annual
inspection" I just said "annual". But I think you are being picky for
no reason.

Your call. I reiterate, there is no such thing as an "annual".


Jim

In article ,
"RST Engineering" wrote:

And if you really want to be technical, I didn't say "annual
inspection" I just said "annual". But I think you are being picky for
no reason.

Your call. I reiterate, there is no such thing as an "annual".

Sure there is. The popular usage of the term "annual" is that
fun time of year when an annual inspection occurs, plus all those
repairs, service, and improvements made to the airplane.
Not to mention the "while-we-are-at-it" things.

Good luck trying to eliminate the phrase "annual" from the owner's
vocabulary. You'd have better luck getting people to properly
use "methodology" and "methods."

:-)

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

Well, then, this year's "annual" cost me:

$550 for the cylinder inspection and repair/replacement of the exhaust valve
and a ring set
$350 for the muffler replacement
$190 for the muffler shroud repair
$125 for the wash/wax job
$150 for what I would have charged me for the "annual"

But how much of this is "annual inspection"? $150. I could have done all
that other stuff any time during the year. As you say, it was a hell of a
lot more convenient while the airplane was apart, but it isn't part of the
annual inspection.

Not to mention vacuuming the rugs and painting the dings and the prop.

Jim


Sure there is. The popular usage of the term "annual" is that
fun time of year when an annual inspection occurs, plus all those
repairs, service, and improvements made to the airplane.
Not to mention the "while-we-are-at-it" things.

Bob Noel wrote:

Sure there is. The popular usage of the term "annual" is that
fun time of year when an annual inspection occurs, plus all those
repairs, service, and improvements made to the airplane.
Not to mention the "while-we-are-at-it" things.

Its that time of the year where you get him to sign off all the stuff
you've done...

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"RST Engineering" wrote:

And if you really want to be technical, I didn't say "annual
inspection" I just said "annual". But I think you are being picky for
no reason.

Your call. I reiterate, there is no such thing as an "annual".

Sure there is. The popular usage of the term "annual" is that
fun time of year when an annual inspection occurs, plus all those
repairs, service, and improvements made to the airplane.
Not to mention the "while-we-are-at-it" things.

Good luck trying to eliminate the phrase "annual" from the owner's
vocabulary. You'd have better luck getting people to properly
use "methodology" and "methods."

:-)

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

If an IA uses more than a flashlight, mirror, pen and checklist in doing my
annual inspection he gets booted out of the hangar. A 'annual' to many has
become an open invitation for the IA to write in any amount he feels
necessary on the owners check.

That is because over the years, shops have conditioned the owners to
thinking that the "annual" (which is nowhere defined WITHOUT the word
"inspection" attached) is the time to cover the owner's vacation in Hawaii
with a bit put aside for the kid's college fund. It would appear that you
have been so conditioned.

I dunno. I have never to my knowledge been ripped off during
the-thing-I-call-an-annual. My most recent one was $800,
and that's pretty average. I don't think the mechanic is
going to Hawaii on this money.

Our airport only has the one mechanic, and the next closest
airport with a mechanic is fifty miles away. We pilots
and this mechanic know each other well, and every pilot
I've talked to who has used him has been reasonably happy
or better.

"Charles Talleyrand" writes:

It would be interesting if other people would post what their annuals
have been like. I'll start.

I just learned mine was about $9K (after very little flying this
past year). I don't even want to look but the high points were "free"
turbo oil tank replacements and a stabilator skin replacement.

--kyler

Got our invoice for the Aztec's maintenance, repair, windshield install, and
annual inspection right in front of me...

1. Cleaned and gapped plugs... owners did this
2. RE Comps 72/80 76/80 74/80 74/80 74/80 76/80 450 SMOH
LE Comps 72/80 72/80 76/80 76/80 72/80 72/80 1750 SMOH
3. Complied with SB CE-04-88 Inspection of Tail torque tube
4. Installed new mag bearings & gaskets on left engine
5. Reinstalled shims on flap torque tube
6. Installed one piece windshield (group effort, about 15 A&P hours)
7. Installed new left engine alternator belt, required pulling the
prop... owners did this
8. Installed new Hyd., Air, and Vacuum Filters... owners did this
9. Cleaned fuel injectors... owners did this
10. C/W all AD's
11. Annual Inspection

Total A&P labor 39.5 hours $2172.50
Total Parts $141.55
Tax $127.27
Grand Total $2441.32

Like Jim W. pointed out, most of this is not the Inspection but needed
repairs and regular maintenance items.

Owners did all disassembly and reassembly, most of the A&P labor was for the
new windshield install, approximately 24 of the 39.5 hours. Rest of the A&P
labor was for Comp checks, helping to remove and reinstall the horz. stab.,
install mag bearings and gaskets, time mags, install flap torque tube shims,
re-build flap actuator arm guide, annual inspection, bookwork, and helping
us do miscellaneous things. Owners also did the engine wash-downs, engine
oil/filter changes, all lubing, and repacking the wheel bearings.

Jim

Jim Burns wrote:

Total A&P labor 39.5 hours $2172.50
Total Parts $141.55
Tax $127.27
Grand Total $2441.32

Taxed on labor? geez what a scam...