Mystery of crashed glider in Arizona

On Dec 8, 8:52*pm, tstock wrote:
Well, someone knows the story, because it was stripped clean after it
was totaled.

It does like HP'ish to me so my guess is an early HP?

I do not think it is an early HP. The fuse is very low profile for a
60's HP. The v-tails also seem too high aspect ratio.

I did have a tape measure with me as my son and I were out measuring
desert strips at the time. The span is 15m. The wing skin is
fiberglass. It had solid foam in the forward D tube and the spar was
riveted aluminum. HP gliders and Irv Prue gliders were metal, metal
and metal. At this point, I am pretty confident that Wayne Paul and
Bob Kuykendall are the guys that are on the right track here. I think
the tail cone and tail feathers are borrowed from an HP and it is a
one of glider.

Bob knew the internal construction without seeing it. Is Bob the
builder of this glider? If so, he is likely feeling sad to see her
now in such a state.

"tstock" wrote in message ...
Well, someone knows the story, because it was stripped clean after it
was totaled.

It does like HP'ish to me so my guess is an early HP?


Don't think so.

HP-7,8,9 (http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/history.html#HP7)
HP-10 (http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP-10/N25D/N25D.htm)
HP-11 (http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP-11/N14GP.htm)
HP-12 (http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP...1DR/N841DR.htm)
HP-13 (http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP.../N2YB/N2YB.htm)
HP-14 (http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP...13G/N1113G.htm)
mine has extended ruddervators.
(http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP...P-14_6F_5a.jpg)
HP-15 (http://www.sailplanedirectory.com/Pl...fm?planeID=163)
HP-16 (http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP...rst_Flight.htm)
HP-17 (http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/history.html#HP17)
HP-18 (http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/HP-18/N5568/N5568.htm)

Wayne
http://tinyurl.com/N990-6F

Possibly Oldshaw O-2 or its variant? I saw one at Soaring Museum at
Moriarty.

http://picasaweb.google.com/gens2000...34513734628274
http://picasaweb.google.com/gens2000...34528476336658

-Gen

I wonder if it is visible on Google Earth? Exactly what airstrip is
this?
Craig

wrote in message ...
I wonder if it is visible on Google Earth? Exactly what airstrip is
this?
Craig

Been there tried that. The field is Serene Strip. Its' coordinates are 32.9970N, 112.2723W. If I strain my eyes and use a bit imagination, I think I can see it near the north end of the runway along the eastern boundary fence.

Wayne

Yes, it is near the north end of the main runway along the eastern
boundary fence.

And now, the winner of the $2 cigar:


Junior Team 2007 wrote:
Come on guys, it's got to be an Edelweiss!

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...0Edelweiss.jpg

Mike Westbrook

For this standard class siren c-30S Edelweiss, first product 1963:
65 built...

Brian W

On Dec 8, 3:22*pm, Junior Team 2007
wrote:
Come on guys, it's got to be an Edelweiss!

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...0Edelweiss.jpg

Mike Westbrook

I don't think it is an Edelweiss, flaps and no top surface spoilers
being one issue as others have mentioned.

But if it is French, I will be outraged and will demand to know what
the SSA is doing about its 3,000 hour inspection!


Darryl

At our airfield we have three "V" Schreder designs (a HP-11, a HP-14 and several HP-18s undergoing restoration.) I own the HP-14.

I am sure the tailcone and ruddervators are from a Schreder kit. Notice that the tail-feathers control surfaces are hinged on the top at 50% of the chord leaving a large gap on the bottom side. The mass balance design is the same. Finally ruddervators fold for trailering and can fold past the vertical like all Schreder "V" tails. (The past the vertical fold causes problems with which I am all too familiar.)

Are there any other "V" tail glider designs which match the above description? If so, do the wing have large span flaps and no spoilers?

As I stated before, there is nothing HP about the wing spar, or steel tube structure associated with the landing gear.

There are several one-of-a-kind gliders, some still flying, that were built using parts purchased from Dick Schreder. I think this wreck is one of them.

BTW, I think Bob K knows more then he is telling us.

Wayne
http://tinyurl.com/N990-6F




"Darryl Ramm" wrote in message ...
On Dec 8, 3:22 pm, Junior Team 2007
wrote:
Come on guys, it's got to be an Edelweiss!

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...0Edelweiss.jpg

Mike Westbrook

I don't think it is an Edelweiss, flaps and no top surface spoilers
being one issue as others have mentioned.

But if it is French, I will be outraged and will demand to know what
the SSA is doing about its 3,000 hour inspection!


Darryl