Airplane in NYC is a Cirrus SR20

I was wondering when the flight-plan issue would come up... :-)



Bob Gardner wrote:

I heard two "experts" commenting on the crash. One went on and on about how
airflow over the wing creates a vacuum which lifts the airplane, and if it
banked suddenly the vacuum would disappear. He did talk about Class B,
almost as though he knew what he was talking about. The second guy raged on
about how the plane was over the river but he knew that this was just an
accident waiting to happen and that all GA airplanes should file flight
plans.

Bob Gardner

"City Dweller" wrote in message
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A pilot correspondent at CNN said that (can't remember his name).

-- cd


"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"City Dweller" wrote in message
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He busted Class B too.

What makes you say so? The crash site is abeam FDR Island, adjacent to
part of the East River VFR corridor. (Or do you just mean that he was
slightly inland at the moment of the crash?) And is it known yet if he
might have had a Class B clearance?

--Gary


-cd

"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
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CNN is reporting that the pilot was a Yankee's pitcher: Lidle. He
apparently got his license only 7 months ago. Bragged about how safe
his
plane was. I have a feeling this is similar to JFK junior's case of not
knowing one's limitations.

Sinan
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A. Sinan Unur
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The guy on CNN I was listening to was under the assumption that the plane
had been crossing Manhattan from the West Side before crashing. That would
imply a Class Bravo bust. Then it turned out the plane had actually been
flying up East River and making a U-turn. That, of course, makes the Class B
bust assertion completely irrelevant.

--cd


"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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I heard two "experts" commenting on the crash. One went on and on about how
airflow over the wing creates a vacuum which lifts the airplane, and if it
banked suddenly the vacuum would disappear. He did talk about Class B,
almost as though he knew what he was talking about. The second guy raged on
about how the plane was over the river but he knew that this was just an
accident waiting to happen and that all GA airplanes should file flight
plans.

Bob Gardner

"City Dweller" wrote in message
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A pilot correspondent at CNN said that (can't remember his name).

-- cd


"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"City Dweller" wrote in message
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He busted Class B too.

What makes you say so? The crash site is abeam FDR Island, adjacent to
part of the East River VFR corridor. (Or do you just mean that he was
slightly inland at the moment of the crash?) And is it known yet if he
might have had a Class B clearance?

--Gary

-cd

"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
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CNN is reporting that the pilot was a Yankee's pitcher: Lidle. He
apparently got his license only 7 months ago. Bragged about how safe
his
plane was. I have a feeling this is similar to JFK junior's case of
not
knowing one's limitations.

Sinan
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A. Sinan Unur
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Bob Gardner writes:

The second guy raged on
about how the plane was over the river but he knew that this was just an
accident waiting to happen and that all GA airplanes should file flight
plans.

Filing a flight plan would not have prevented this accident. I doubt
that impact on a building would have been mentioned in the flight
plan.

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City Dweller wrote:
A pilot correspondent at CNN said that (can't remember his name).

Well, if it came from CNN that it must be true!

{intense sarcasm was in the previous sentence for those so impaired}

Matt

City Dweller writes:

He busted Class B too.

The FAA can send a letter to his next of kin.

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A. Sinan Unur wrote:
CNN is reporting that the pilot was a Yankee's pitcher: Lidle. He
apparently got his license only 7 months ago. Bragged about how safe his
plane was. I have a feeling this is similar to JFK junior's case of not
knowing one's limitations.

The hourly METARS for 1800 and 1900Z for the area airports put things
at 017OVC and 7 Miles. It had been poorer (008OVC and 2 1/2 RA).

An old NYT article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/sp...erland&emc=rss

NYC weather looks pretty crappy today.

A. Sinan Unur wrote:
CNN is reporting that the pilot was a Yankee's pitcher: Lidle. He
apparently got his license only 7 months ago. Bragged about how safe his
plane was. I have a feeling this is similar to JFK junior's case of not
knowing one's limitations.

Sinan
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A. Sinan Unur
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Isn't the restricted floor in the area ~1500 feet?

1500 foot floor, 1800 foot cieling... VFR into IMC anyone?

"EridanMan" wrote in message
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Isn't the restricted floor in the area ~1500 feet?

1500 foot floor, 1800 foot cieling... VFR into IMC anyone?

No. Class E in the corridor has a *ceiling* of 1100-1500 feet, not a floor.

--Gary

My mistake, I don't have an NYC sectional in front of me.... I figured
the 500 feet above tallest building in viscinity rule would apply.

an a.net user found this-

http://www4.passur.com/lga.html

Set time to 14:41...

Gary Drescher wrote:
"EridanMan" wrote in message
oups.com...
Isn't the restricted floor in the area ~1500 feet?

1500 foot floor, 1800 foot cieling... VFR into IMC anyone?

No. Class E in the corridor has a *ceiling* of 1100-1500 feet, not a floor.

--Gary