Radio - foul language

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On 10 Feb 2004 00:23:38 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: Radio - foul language
From: "Paul J. Adam"

Depends on timescales. If you're calling in a fire mission from a
battery in direct support, or reporting a hot contact... the enemy will
gain nothing from intercepting and translating your radio messages. They
already know that Our Guys are fighting Their Guys at grid 123987, the
spooks get told to clear the net for useful messages
Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

Radio silence. Above all radio silence. Only guys on their first mission
and
scared to hell blurt over the command radio. And are so severely
disciplined
on landing that they will never do it again.


Arthur Kramer

Radio discipline is important. It's an absolute, even when it isn't
necessary--as in modern ops where you've got secure comm. It still
demonstrates professionalism if the radio chatter is eliminated.

That being said, however, Art overlooks the situation. It's a ground
commander calling for fire support. The ground commander's rep, calls
for fire and must communicate the situation. If he maintains radio
silence, no one knows the need for fire. If, under the duress of the
moment, the FAC or controller adds an adjective, that can readily be
forgiven.

But Art is correct in the narrow sense that such traffic would *very* rarely
be tolerated on the *command* net. Fire support would be handled on the fire
support net, just as operations reports are handles on the ops net and CSS
is handled on the admin/log net. Commanders, especially those with stars on
their collars, tend to get rather testy when the folks initiating comms on
their command nets are not either themselves or, somewhat grudgingly, their
immediate subordinate commanders. As an aside, the best single comm I ever
overheard on a command net was from an O-6 maneuver brigade commander
responding to the O-7 ADC-M after being queried as to whether his elements
were indeed moving out right *now* IAW the latest (rather confusing) last
minute FRAGO-- "Roger that, we are moving out now....don't know where we are
supposed to be going, but we are moving." Blurted out over the speaker in
our CP; everyone in the CP stopped what they were doing and looked at each
other, then burst out in guffaws. Surprisingly, he was not chastised for
that somewhat irreverent (even if it was true) comment.

Brooks



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

The squadron was the
"Fighting Squids"! So, I'll always be a squid.

(In reality, the patch showed something that looked a lot more like an
octopus--black on a yellow background, hurling a red rocket toward the
ground with his tentacles. Gotta really love a fighter squadron whose
color is "yellow" and whose mascot is a spineless jellyfish.)

LOL Ranks right up there with the Pukin' Dawgs, Ed

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:56:00 -0700, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

On 09 Feb 2004 23:32:20 GMT, nt (Krztalizer) wrote:


Gordon, how many youngsters would you say visit this newsgroup?

My eight year old son, for one. Probably a few others, but as you suggest, not
many. Still, since its not off-limits to the wee ones AND ladies, I don't see
it as the same as a forum for, say, just sailors.

v/r
Gordon

What? You mean they let sailors in here?

I'd not have frequented the joint had I known that was going on!


Don't bend over or drop your soap while they are around.....;-)

John Hairell )

Ed Rasimus wrote:

Radio discipline is important. It's an absolute, even when it isn't
necessary--as in modern ops where you've got secure comm. It still
demonstrates professionalism if the radio chatter is eliminated.

Speaking of radio chatter, I'll never forget October 29, 1998. For it
was on that special day I flew my first homebuilt trike to watch
77-year-old John Glenn return to space -- 36 years, 8 months and
nine days after he became the first American to orbit the Earth.

Approaching Launch Pad LC-39B after a 90-minute west to east flight
across the Florida peninsula, it was time to turn on the radio. I was
astounded at how busy the Patrick AFB controller was! Obviously,
countless Cessnas, Pipers and other general aviation pilots had also
taken the day off from work and flew to the Cape for exactly the same
reason I did.

I decided not to bother Patrick's approach controller after monitoring
the conversation and hearing the controller barking out instructions
non-stop:

Patrick Controller: "Shuttle delay, intruder VFR aircraft in the
restricted launch zone..." [static]

"Patrick this is Cessna Five Niner Zero Charlie...what's the uhh,
status with the shuttle lau..." [static]

Patrick Controller: "Sir, no advisories today! Please, all VFR traffic
look at your charts. The reason for the shuttle delay is stray VFR
traffic in the launch zone!" [static]

"Patrick [static] this is, ahh...Beech Six Three Seven Kilo requesting
traffic adv..."

Patrick Controller: "Three Seven Kilo [static] NO advisories today,
squawk VFR and stay clear of the restricted zone!"

"Ahh [static] G'day Patrick this is Cessna Oh Four Niner reques..."

Patrick Controller: "OK, all VFR aircraft turn OFF your transponders,
you're overloading [static] my scope. Repeat, all VFR traffic turn OFF
your transponders!" [static]

"Patrick, Beech Triple Five Alpha Tango could you give us a status
rep..."

Patrick Controller: "Beech Triple Fiver Alpha Tango NO advisories
today, launch has been delayed, check transponder OFF, stay clear of
the restricted airspace!" [static]

"Patrick this is Warrior Six Three...." [static]

Patrick Controller: "ALL VFR traffic...DO NOT contact Patrick for
Shuttle Advisories!" [screeeech] "We will advise you one-minute
liftoff!" [static]

"Uhh, Patrick...cessna Zero Three Three requesting shuttle
advisories...." [static]

Patrick Controller: [GASP]

I turned the volume down a bit on the radio and focused on flying the
trike and avoiding the other airplanes whizzing by in all directions.
With one hand on the control bar and the other holding onto my
ever-ready camera, I circled around on the edge of the restricted
airspace wondering what was going to happen to the pilot who
inadvertantly strayed into the Shuttle's airspace, holding up the
launch in front of a world wide audience!

Finally, the controller announced the countdown sequence had begun.
Immediately, I wheeled the trike around into the best possible camera
position...

Composed of a winged orbiter and utilizing three extremely powerful,
reusable main engines and two reusable solid rocket boosters, the
largest solid-propellant motors ever flown and a disposable external
centerline fuel tank, the Shuttle lifted up and away from its vertical
position on the launch pad and into orbit in just under eight minutes.
Accelerating past mach three in a matter of a few minutes, I lost
sight of the Shuttle before it left the troposphere. In a few seconds,
all that could be seen of the Discovery was its humongous white smoke
plume, drifting southward in the sparkling blue, Florida sky.

Leaving the poor Patrick AFB controller to his woes, I saluted John
Glenn and the entire crew of STS-95 then turned my humble yet
very capable craft westward towards home.

In message , Ed Rasimus
writes
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:08:12 +0000, "Paul J. Adam"
wrote:
Slower time? That's what BATCO is for, painful though it may be to use.

You guys make me feel like a relative youth....ever heard of
"frequency agility" AKA "Have Quick" or in simple terms, secure comm?

We have indeed. There is a rumour that one day, such systems may even
trickle down to the battlegroup level

The program is named Bowman, and has been much delayed with concomitant
woe: though the end result is apparently rather good.




--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

Dave Kearton wrote:

"Glenn P." wrote in message
...
| Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
|
| Same same with 'g_d', 'G_d' and 'god'. My Baptist roots go
way
| back; if you have to use his name in vain - at least spell it
| correctly.
|
| By which you mean YHWH, right?

Yes, he's known by many names - Yahweh is only one of them.

Cheers

Dave Kearton "we shall gather at the river ...."

Dave, how terribly un-PC of you. You've managed to offend at least three
different groups, and probably more. By asserting that

a. God exists, you've got the atheists on your case.

b. God's gender is male, you've got the feminists riled up (as in "God's
coming, and She's ****ed").

c. God is singular, you've upset the Pagans ;-)

Guy (who's happily avoided such controversies by being a life-long agnostic)

Krztalizer wrote:


Gordon, how many youngsters would you say visit this newsgroup?

My eight year old son, for one.

And has HE never heard or seen these words, say uttered by his father in a moment
of exasperation? ;-) Or from his friends, or on music CDs or ? Naturally, we can
and IMO should try and set an example of not using profanity gratuitously. But
again, I'm curious. Have you ever asked him what HE thought f&%#@ing meant?

Probably a few others, but as you suggest, not
many. Still, since its not off-limits to the wee ones AND ladies, I don't see
it as the same as a forum for, say, just sailors.

Ladies generally aren't, anymore, and I suspect most women would be offended by
the notion that they're so fragile that men have to protect them from hearing or
reading swear words. Many have an equal facility with them as men (which may be a
good or bad thing).

Guy

John Keeney wrote:

"Krztalizer" wrote in message
...

Gordon, how many youngsters would you say visit this newsgroup?

My eight year old son, for one. Probably a few others, but as you suggest,
not
many. Still, since its not off-limits to the wee ones AND ladies, I don't
see
it as the same as a forum for, say, just sailors.

My eleven year old nephew and his nine year old sister once every week
or two.

And are either of them unaware of these words? I'm not trying to be a smartass,
I really am curious. By the time I was 11, I'd certainly heard (and used) them
many times, with/from friends, family members and others, and children were (in
some ways) far more naive then than they are now.

Guy

In message , ArtKramr
writes
Subject: Radio - foul language
From: "Paul J. Adam"
Date: 2/9/04 3:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:
Depends on timescales. If you're calling in a fire mission from a
battery in direct support, or reporting a hot contact... the enemy will
gain nothing from intercepting and translating your radio messages. They
already know that Our Guys are fighting Their Guys at grid 123987, the
spooks get told to clear the net for useful messages

Slower time? That's what BATCO is for, painful though it may be to use.

Radio silence. Above all radio silence. Only guys on their first mission and
scared to hell blurt over the command radio. And are so severely disciplined
on landing that they will never do it again.

Different roles and missions, Art. Radio chatter is a no-no (even if on
exercises, platoon commanders would send "Three-zero, this is one-zero,
fetch Sunray... three-zero alpha, 0898" which was the cue to "drop a
megahertz and chat" - done as a peacetime luxury, and not allowable in
combat) but while we wanted radio _discipline_, having patrols and OPs
out required that radio _silence_ be broken.

After all, if your job is advanced scout to spot the enemy's attack,
will your commander thank you for maintaining radio silence if the
enemy's tanks arrive before the runner you sent back with a handwritten
message?

The radio's there to be used: not one word more than necessary, but
every necessary word.


--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

Guy Alcala wrote:
Dave Kearton wrote:

"Glenn P." wrote in message
...
Mark and Kim Smith wrote:

Same same with 'g_d', 'G_d' and 'god'. My Baptist
roots go way back; if you have to use his name in vain - at
least spell it correctly.

By which you mean YHWH, right?

Yes, he's known by many names - Yahweh is only one of them.

Cheers

Dave Kearton "we shall gather at the river ...."

Dave, how terribly un-PC of you. You've managed to offend at least
three different groups, and probably more. By asserting that

a. God exists, you've got the atheists on your case.

b. God's gender is male, you've got the feminists riled up (as in
"God's coming, and She's ****ed").

c. God is singular, you've upset the Pagans ;-)

Guy (who's happily avoided such controversies by being a life-long
agnostic)

If that's got you worried then don't go looking at what the French have
ruled on today (banning all overt religious symbols in public).
Now if God did/does exist, would they have been a fighter pilot or a bomber
pilot? (he says trying to get the post vaguely back on a RAM theme)

--
James...
www.jameshart.co.uk