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Required hold?
In the following approach (VOR/DME or GPS-A),
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0411/06276VDGA.PDF am I required to hold at RAINEE? Does it depend which IAF I use? Thanks ! |
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Yes, it depends on your IAF. If you start at RAINEE, the Procedure Turn is
required. If you start at OWANY or OWDIM no Procedure Turn is required (or authorized) as indicated by the "NoPT" comment on the DME Arcs. Nicholas Kliewer wrote in news:41913C0A.93B1F12 @spothotmail.com: In the following approach (VOR/DME or GPS-A), http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0411/06276VDGA.PDF am I required to hold at RAINEE? Does it depend which IAF I use? Thanks ! |
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Nicholas Kliewer wrote:
In the following approach (VOR/DME or GPS-A), http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0411/06276VDGA.PDF am I required to hold at RAINEE? Does it depend which IAF I use? It depends on which IAF you use. The NoPT designation on the DME arcs (IAF's OWDIM and OWAMY) applies to the hold in lieu of the procedure turn (5-4-8 of the AIM). If you start the approach at RANEE, then you have to enter the hold. Really, you're considered to have done the turn once you've entered, and crossed thed fix heading on the inbound course. In that case, even coming in from the two arc IAF's, you would just flyover RANEE anyhow even if the arcs weren't marked NoPT. You don't need to go around the racetrack. |
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Nicholas Kliewer wrote:
In the following approach (VOR/DME or GPS-A), http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0411/06276VDGA.PDF am I required to hold at RAINEE? Does it depend which IAF I use? Perhaps the question you intended to ask is: "am I required to do a procedure turn at RAINEE?" A hold is never required there unless so instructed by ATC. If you arrive by one of the transtions marked NoPT, or if you are given vectors to the final approach course, no procedure turn is required. |
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On 11/9/04 3:52 PM, Nicholas Kliewer wrote the following:
In the following approach (VOR/DME or GPS-A), http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0411/06276VDGA.PDF am I required to hold at RAINEE? I'll stick my neck out in public. If it is your IAF and you got there on your own/were not vectored there, then I think you have to fly a lap in the hold because it is your PT. Does it depend which IAF I use? Yes; From the two DME arcs: "NoPT" |
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In article ,
Nicholas Kliewer wrote: In the following approach (VOR/DME or GPS-A), http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0411/06276VDGA.PDF am I required to hold at RAINEE? Does it depend which IAF I use? I see three IAF's (OWANY, OWDIM, and RANEE). The first two are the start of DME arcs, both of which are marked NoPT, so you don't fly a PT if you start from either of those. If you start the approach from RANEE you have to fly the PT, and the PT is constrained to be a 1-minute holding pattern. What I find odd about the procedure is that there's no hold charted for the missed. The obvious answer is that you hold northeast of CLL on the 027 radial, right turns, 1 minute legs, but it's conventional to chart the holding pattern. |
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If you arrive at RAINEE as the IAF, you must fly the hold-in-lieu course
reversal procedure. Only once around the hold is required. Additional turns require ATC approval. If you fly either DME arc, you may not fly the hold unless you obtain ATC clearance to do so. Each DME arc is marked NoPT. "Nicholas Kliewer" wrote in message ... In the following approach (VOR/DME or GPS-A), http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0411/06276VDGA.PDF am I required to hold at RAINEE? Does it depend which IAF I use? Thanks ! |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:14:45 -0500, Dave Butler
wrote: Perhaps the question you intended to ask is: "am I required to do a procedure turn at RAINEE?" A hold is never required there unless so instructed by ATC. Not so. If you arrive via the transition from CLL, a procedure turn is required. --ron |
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Although a missed approach holding pattern is normally charted, at the
time the procedure was built, the only requirement is that the missed approach procedure allowed a pilot to continue in the enroute environment. Using the VORTAC as the clearance limit accomplished this, so a holding pattern was not required. 2000 would probably not provide the required 1000' obstacle clearance for a holding pattern at CLL (based on the 1049' tower that appears to be within any holding pattern that would be used there), the minimum holding altitude is probably higher than 2000. JPH Roy Smith wrote: In article , Nicholas Kliewer wrote: In the following approach (VOR/DME or GPS-A), http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0411/06276VDGA.PDF am I required to hold at RAINEE? Does it depend which IAF I use? I see three IAF's (OWANY, OWDIM, and RANEE). The first two are the start of DME arcs, both of which are marked NoPT, so you don't fly a PT if you start from either of those. If you start the approach from RANEE you have to fly the PT, and the PT is constrained to be a 1-minute holding pattern. What I find odd about the procedure is that there's no hold charted for the missed. The obvious answer is that you hold northeast of CLL on the 027 radial, right turns, 1 minute legs, but it's conventional to chart the holding pattern. |
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