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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage foraircraft weight
Grumman-581 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:06:32 -0500, "Jim Macklin" wrote: How do you "stand by" the X-ray machine with check baggage? If you claim it has a firearm locked inside it must be checked baggage. Maybe it depends upon what airport you're flying through, but the ones that I fly through have the TSA x-ray and sniffer machines either right near the ticket counter or at least very close... This is different than the machines that you go through for your carry-on luggage... Yeah, like I've got freaking time to do that. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
Good question.
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... | Jim Macklin wrote: | Honest citizens can't carry a firearm in Chicago. The gang | bangers have no problem. Illinois is totally screwed up, | not just the gun laws either. | | Does Chicago have any honest citizens left? | | Matt |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
All well and good, but that doesn't resolve the problem I've raised, although what you quote appears to confirm that the average estimated passenger weight _does_ include some presumed weight of carry-on luggage. Carry-ons are NOT counted individually. An historical average is calculated to determine the number of carry-ons per person, and then that average is all that is used from that point on. It doesn't matter if all or non of the passengers has a carry-on. Also, if the carry-on is stowed in the overhead compartment or in the baggage hold, the total weight is the same. The consequence of shifting carry-ons is inconsequential. D. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
"Richard Riley" wrote Years ago I was told a story by a 727 pilot, about a charter flight where they aborted the takeoff because they weren't getting the accelleration they were expecting. Turned out the flight was a charter by coin collectors, they all had 50-100 lbs of rare, expensive coins in their carry on stuff. I have always wondered if the pilots of the 747 that the Ohio State University Marching Band had chartered to fly to California , had the correct weight of all of the extra weight of the all brass instruments in the band. I have a feeling that they did, from the spool up before the brakes released! -- Jim in NC |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message But it's an example of the kinds of things that change when you suddenly declare new "security" rules without thinking things through. How do you know that things were not thought through? Do you assume this because you were not invited to the meetings? (and please, forego the "they didn't think through xxx" argument, as it is irrelevant to your present question) Perhaps they were thought through in great detail -- by professionals -- and they reached the same conclusion many of us have - that it really doesn't make much difference at all. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
John Gaquin writes:
How do you know that things were not thought through? Because I came up with this easily, and others have come up with other things. Do you assume this because you were not invited to the meetings? No, I base this on the generally manifest incompetence of the agencies involved, and on the clear inadequacy and inappropriateness of the procedures they have in place. Perhaps they were thought through in great detail -- by professionals -- and they reached the same conclusion many of us have - that it really doesn't make much difference at all. Perhaps. But I wouldn't be money on it. Did you see that the UK just let a 12-year-old onto a plane without a ticket or boarding pass and nobody even noticed it until he was sipping a drink? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
No, I base this on the generally manifest incompetence of the agencies involved, and on the clear inadequacy and inappropriateness of the procedures they have in place. Estimated weight and balance procedures came about over many years with significant imput from the ones who have the most to lose- the crewmembers. The referenced Charlotte BE19 crash was the result of an improperly set elevator limit. Perhaps. But I wouldn't be money on it. You lose. D. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message How do you know that things were not thought through? Because I came up with this easily, and others have come up with other things. Do you assume this because you were not invited to the meetings? No, I base this on the generally manifest incompetence of the agencies involved, and on the clear inadequacy and inappropriateness of the procedures they have in place. This may come as a substantial shock to you, but there are folks in many walks of life, including government, who are just as bright as you. Railing against bureaucracy is fun, particularly when you are not the one who has to be responsible, but way, way too easy to be anything but a low-grade diversion. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight
John Gaquin writes:
This may come as a substantial shock to you, but there are folks in many walks of life, including government, who are just as bright as you. Unfortunately, they are not always the people who are put in charge. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage foraircraft weight
Emily wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote: Are those fun bags saline or liquid explosive? Did that fellow have plastic explosive surgery? Instead of drugs, did they swallow explosives? Ideas like these? I think I've told this story here before, but I heard Ollie North tell a great story an incident at Raleigh just after the shoe bomber incident. Basically, when the TSA told him to take off his shoes and he asked why, the TSA officer said, "Well, sir, I don't know if you heard about this, but someone tried to blow up a plane with his shoe." North looked at him and said, "So what happens when someone tries to blow up a plane with his underwear." Next thing he knew, he was up against the wall waiting for the cops to show up to deal with the guy with the bomb in his underwear. The TSA officer has no idea who he was, but the cops did when they showed up. He said even after the cops called him Colonel North and explained to the TSA officer who he was, he still didn't know. I'm really not sure what that says about the TSA. My brother's idea is just to make everyone fly naked. Well, at 61 years of age, I guarantee that you (and for that matter, no one else) wants to see ME fly naked! Now, if all the ladies fly naked too, that might be an idea worth exploring. |
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